On 2/8/14, 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:36:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2014 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:50:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Bill, addictions don't get to a 'functioning member of society' stage and then remain constant. They
get worse, and worse, until the addict hits his/her bottom. The bottom might be a reckless driving
ticket, or it might be death, or somewhere in between.

At least that's been my experience with addicts.

How many people did you run into in the army who were addicted to
alcohol? I certainly saw plenty in the Navy and CG



I knew many heavy drinkers in the Navy. I was one of them. I know many
heavy drinkers now. I am not one of them, not because I don't like it,
but because as you age it doesn't like you as much. Most drinkers,
including myself never become alcoholics.

Alcoholism, like drug addiction, radically changes how a person thinks
and acts. His/her personality changes. Scientists have mapped areas of
the brain that responsible for cognizant thinking and routine awareness.
The inter-cell transmitters of electrical signals have been destroyed,
often permanently. A recovering alcoholic has to "re-wire" his/her
thought process to avoid relapses. Same with some drug addicts.

A heavy drinker isn't "the" definition of an alcoholic or one addicted
to alcohol. There is much more to it.


It depends on who is doing the defining.

I have heard lots of groups that set that bar pretty low.


If you drink a six pack every night, guess what...you're an alcoholic.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:21:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:36:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2014 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:50:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Bill, addictions don't get to a 'functioning member of society' stage and then remain constant. They
get worse, and worse, until the addict hits his/her bottom. The bottom might be a reckless driving
ticket, or it might be death, or somewhere in between.

At least that's been my experience with addicts.

How many people did you run into in the army who were addicted to
alcohol? I certainly saw plenty in the Navy and CG



I knew many heavy drinkers in the Navy. I was one of them. I know many
heavy drinkers now. I am not one of them, not because I don't like it,
but because as you age it doesn't like you as much. Most drinkers,
including myself never become alcoholics.

Alcoholism, like drug addiction, radically changes how a person thinks
and acts. His/her personality changes. Scientists have mapped areas of
the brain that responsible for cognizant thinking and routine awareness.
The inter-cell transmitters of electrical signals have been destroyed,
often permanently. A recovering alcoholic has to "re-wire" his/her
thought process to avoid relapses. Same with some drug addicts.

A heavy drinker isn't "the" definition of an alcoholic or one addicted
to alcohol. There is much more to it.


It depends on who is doing the defining.

I have heard lots of groups that set that bar pretty low.


If you drink a six pack every night, guess what...you're an alcoholic.

That's based on some scientific fact?

On 2/8/14, 11:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:21:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:36:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2014 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:50:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Bill, addictions don't get to a 'functioning member of society' stage and then remain constant. They
get worse, and worse, until the addict hits his/her bottom. The bottom might be a reckless driving
ticket, or it might be death, or somewhere in between.

At least that's been my experience with addicts.

How many people did you run into in the army who were addicted to
alcohol? I certainly saw plenty in the Navy and CG



I knew many heavy drinkers in the Navy. I was one of them. I know many
heavy drinkers now. I am not one of them, not because I don't like it,
but because as you age it doesn't like you as much. Most drinkers,
including myself never become alcoholics.

Alcoholism, like drug addiction, radically changes how a person thinks
and acts. His/her personality changes. Scientists have mapped areas of
the brain that responsible for cognizant thinking and routine awareness.
The inter-cell transmitters of electrical signals have been destroyed,
often permanently. A recovering alcoholic has to "re-wire" his/her
thought process to avoid relapses. Same with some drug addicts.

A heavy drinker isn't "the" definition of an alcoholic or one addicted
to alcohol. There is much more to it.


It depends on who is doing the defining.

I have heard lots of groups that set that bar pretty low.


If you drink a six pack every night, guess what...you're an alcoholic.

That's based on some scientific fact?



Having six alcoholic drinks a night puts you well into the
classification of being a heavy drinker, according to the CDC:

"What do you mean by heavy drinking?
For men, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of
more than 2 drinks per day, or more than 14 drinks per week. For women,
heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than
1 drink per day, or more than 7 drinks per week."

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#excessivealcohol

Heavy drinking every night is a sure sign of alcoholism. Six beers a
night is 42 drinks a week.

On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 11:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:21:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:36:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2014 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:50:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Bill, addictions don't get to a 'functioning member of society'
stage and then remain constant. They
get worse, and worse, until the addict hits his/her bottom. The
bottom might be a reckless driving
ticket, or it might be death, or somewhere in between.

At least that's been my experience with addicts.

How many people did you run into in the army who were addicted to
alcohol? I certainly saw plenty in the Navy and CG



I knew many heavy drinkers in the Navy. I was one of them. I know
many
heavy drinkers now. I am not one of them, not because I don't like
it,
but because as you age it doesn't like you as much. Most drinkers,
including myself never become alcoholics.

Alcoholism, like drug addiction, radically changes how a person thinks
and acts. His/her personality changes. Scientists have mapped
areas of
the brain that responsible for cognizant thinking and routine
awareness.
The inter-cell transmitters of electrical signals have been destroyed,
often permanently. A recovering alcoholic has to "re-wire" his/her
thought process to avoid relapses. Same with some drug addicts.

A heavy drinker isn't "the" definition of an alcoholic or one addicted
to alcohol. There is much more to it.


It depends on who is doing the defining.

I have heard lots of groups that set that bar pretty low.


If you drink a six pack every night, guess what...you're an alcoholic.

That's based on some scientific fact?



Having six alcoholic drinks a night puts you well into the
classification of being a heavy drinker, according to the CDC:

"What do you mean by heavy drinking?
For men, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of
more than 2 drinks per day, or more than 14 drinks per week. For women,
heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than
1 drink per day, or more than 7 drinks per week."

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#excessivealcohol

Heavy drinking every night is a sure sign of alcoholism. Six beers a
night is 42 drinks a week.

Thee you go again quoting government publications and assuming them to
be factual.

On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 12:52:41 -0500, HanK wrote:

On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 11:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:21:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:36:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2014 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:50:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Bill, addictions don't get to a 'functioning member of society'
stage and then remain constant. They
get worse, and worse, until the addict hits his/her bottom. The
bottom might be a reckless driving
ticket, or it might be death, or somewhere in between.

At least that's been my experience with addicts.

How many people did you run into in the army who were addicted to
alcohol? I certainly saw plenty in the Navy and CG



I knew many heavy drinkers in the Navy. I was one of them. I know
many
heavy drinkers now. I am not one of them, not because I don't like
it,
but because as you age it doesn't like you as much. Most drinkers,
including myself never become alcoholics.

Alcoholism, like drug addiction, radically changes how a person thinks
and acts. His/her personality changes. Scientists have mapped
areas of
the brain that responsible for cognizant thinking and routine
awareness.
The inter-cell transmitters of electrical signals have been destroyed,
often permanently. A recovering alcoholic has to "re-wire" his/her
thought process to avoid relapses. Same with some drug addicts.

A heavy drinker isn't "the" definition of an alcoholic or one addicted
to alcohol. There is much more to it.


It depends on who is doing the defining.

I have heard lots of groups that set that bar pretty low.


If you drink a six pack every night, guess what...you're an alcoholic.

That's based on some scientific fact?



Having six alcoholic drinks a night puts you well into the
classification of being a heavy drinker, according to the CDC:

"What do you mean by heavy drinking?
For men, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of
more than 2 drinks per day, or more than 14 drinks per week. For women,
heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than
1 drink per day, or more than 7 drinks per week."

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#excessivealcohol

Heavy drinking every night is a sure sign of alcoholism. Six beers a
night is 42 drinks a week.

Thee you go again quoting government publications and assuming them to
be factual.

Somehow he missed the pertinent sections.

On 2/8/2014 12:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 11:59 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:21:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/8/14, 11:13 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:36:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2014 1:35 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:50:53 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

Bill, addictions don't get to a 'functioning member of society'
stage and then remain constant. They
get worse, and worse, until the addict hits his/her bottom. The
bottom might be a reckless driving
ticket, or it might be death, or somewhere in between.

At least that's been my experience with addicts.

How many people did you run into in the army who were addicted to
alcohol? I certainly saw plenty in the Navy and CG



I knew many heavy drinkers in the Navy. I was one of them. I know
many
heavy drinkers now. I am not one of them, not because I don't like
it,
but because as you age it doesn't like you as much. Most drinkers,
including myself never become alcoholics.

Alcoholism, like drug addiction, radically changes how a person thinks
and acts. His/her personality changes. Scientists have mapped
areas of
the brain that responsible for cognizant thinking and routine
awareness.
The inter-cell transmitters of electrical signals have been destroyed,
often permanently. A recovering alcoholic has to "re-wire" his/her
thought process to avoid relapses. Same with some drug addicts.

A heavy drinker isn't "the" definition of an alcoholic or one addicted
to alcohol. There is much more to it.


It depends on who is doing the defining.

I have heard lots of groups that set that bar pretty low.


If you drink a six pack every night, guess what...you're an alcoholic.

That's based on some scientific fact?



Having six alcoholic drinks a night puts you well into the
classification of being a heavy drinker, according to the CDC:

"What do you mean by heavy drinking?
For men, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of
more than 2 drinks per day, or more than 14 drinks per week. For women,
heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than
1 drink per day, or more than 7 drinks per week."

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#excessivealcohol

Heavy drinking every night is a sure sign of alcoholism. Six beers a
night is 42 drinks a week.


Again, a heavy drinker by any definition isn't necessarily an alcoholic.
Alcoholism involves other factors and issues. Ask any recovering alcoholic.