On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.

On 2/6/2014 1:28 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.
As usual, you are a little fuzzy on details.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:28:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.

You missed these questions. I'd find your answers interesting.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

On 2/6/14, 2:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 13:28:04 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun
for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked
the pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are
less likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or
your wife two rooms away.

You missed these questions. I'd find your answers interesting.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?


1. Where I can get to it in a hurry

2. Mossberg 590A1 like this: http://tinyurl.com/pv96f9d

3. Yes

4. #1 buckshot

5. Depends

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 15:19:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

1. Where I can get to it in a hurry

2. Mossberg 590A1 like this: http://tinyurl.com/pv96f9d

3. Yes

4. #1 buckshot

5. Depends

===

That's a big, powerful gun for a pussy like you. Hope you don't hurt
yourself.

On 2/6/14, 5:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 15:19:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


1. Where I can get to it in a hurry

Locked up? If not it is illegal in Florida and probably Md.

2. Mossberg 590A1 like this: http://tinyurl.com/pv96f9d

Fine but it is hard to keep a 39.5" long gun in tight enough that
someone can't take it away from you (AKA retention position).


3. Yes

See #1

4. #1 buckshot

So you are going to have no problem penetrating 4 sheets of drywall.

5. Depends

You better just hide in the bedroom


It's not going to be easy to silently break into this house at night
while we are upstairs in the bedroom, not with the lights, video cams
and alarms. I'm not that concerned. Oh, and we don't have armed,
short-tempered civilian morons patrolling the neighborhood, looking to
stand their ground.

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 2/6/14, 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:15:01 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

A shotgun is much better for home defense than a pistol.

I always hear that but I wonder if the theory has ever been tested.

Where do you keep this shotgun and what kind is it?

Do you keep it loaded?

What ammo?

Are you planning on just hiding behind the bed or are you going to
leave your bedroom?

I really question the idea of getting to a long gun safe, loading a
tube fed shotgun and actually maneuvering around the house with a full
sized sporting shotgun without someone taking it away from you.
If you are loaded with 00 buck, you might as well be using a .45 as
far as over penetration goes and the pattern on an 18" cylinder bore
is still going to be a couple inches at any range you are likely to
have in the house so you still have to aim. Where is the advantage?

That Biden quote may have been the stupidest thing I have ever heard,
even from Biden.



There are at least two advantages to a short barrel but legal shotgun for home defense:

Aim is important, but a tad less so than with a pistol since unchoked the
pellets will have a wider spread than a bullet. Shotgun pellets are less
likely to penetrate multiple panels of drywall and kill a kid or your wife two rooms away.

The spread of a shotgun in the house is negligible in the less than 12' you
would be shooting. Length is a real handicap. Major reason the Military
went to M16 type weapons. Lighter and shorter. The Israelis designed the
Tavor for just this type urban combat. Full length barrel in a Bullpup
design short weapon. If you had an old Ithaca Auto & Burglar 20 ga that
would be ideal. Illegal without the correct FFL stuff.

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:17:27 PM UTC-6, wrote:


OTOH My bedroom has a block wall between it and the living room.


Nothing that an M1A with a full box can't cure...

On Thursday, February 6, 2014 7:11:58 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 14:20:38 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:



On Thursday, February 6, 2014 4:17:27 PM UTC-6, wrote:





OTOH My bedroom has a block wall between it and the living room.





Nothing that an M1A with a full box can't cure...



You can eat a hole in a block wall eventually but it will usually

stop a "ball" round.

Now if you have some AP ...


I do. some 30.06 left over from my Garrand. Yes it may take a bit to eat through the wall, but the guy on the other side doesn't know it.



But I am going to be the one with the M1A if I think I need it. I even

keep a 20 round box of tracers on top of the stack.

That would not be the first thing I grabbed tho.

I would have my KP90 Ruger.

I really can't think of a real life self defense situation where a

full sized battle rifle would be the right tool.

I got it when I thought I was going to get into "high power" shooting.

It really wouldn't be Greg, but the old saying applies. "Hey, you run what you brung"