"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the
Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to
install my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a
month ago) won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older,
10.8.5 OSX (whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer
version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

Well you can make phone calls with it. 😄

On 2/3/2014 6:32 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 6:19 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2014 3:14:06 PM UTC-6, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:49 PM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.



http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january




Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling reason to

switch.

If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change

your hardware and software?

99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows 3.1 on

a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of
sale,

you don't need that much computing power.

All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average

business man's operation.

Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why

they need a different OS.







Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its

price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put

Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste

the money.



The OS is not free, it is just bundled into the overpriced hardware.

IBM did the same thing with the System 360, all the software was free

including on site support ... until LBJ sued them over it.



Apple gets away with it because they are still a small player.



Most people do not get the retail version of windows anyway. They get

it bundled with the software and it is about $35-40 that way based on

what you can get a bare (or linux) system for.



I don't even pay that. When you get an off lease machine the extra

cost is negligible and you could reinstall that OS on a brand new

machine if you wanted to. You just need the sticker ... or just the

numbers.

I am not even sure Microsoft is checking for duplicate XP

installations these days. I do have a good W-7 number if I wanted to

play with it but I have XP on that machine now.

I have still not seen a compelling need to go to 7 or 8.



I am not impressed with the idea that just being newer is always

better.



I just fired up a win 8.1 machine. So far everything is loading in

flawlessly, even the 1999 Mapsource from Garmin. I'm in the process of

loading the 2014 map data now. So far so good.

Can you do that on a Win7?

Yes. If you have a GPS WITH LIFETIME MAPS

From what I can determine Win 8 is basically Win 7 with an updated HMI
interface and display.

On 2/3/2014 6:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2014 4:42:59 PM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,

says...





What is a 'hard reset'?



When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to

keyboard or mouse input.

I've had to do that with my old box. even unplugged it for a day. That helped.


Just needed a rest after a hard fought debate with Harry. :-)

On 2/3/2014 7:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/3/2014 6:32 PM, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 6:19 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2014 3:14:06 PM UTC-6, HanK wrote:
On 2/3/2014 2:49 PM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 2/3/14, 11:46 AM, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:04:24 -0500, Poco Loco

wrote:



Maybe I'll stick with XP even after the support stops.



http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...are-in-january





Microsoft has not given their business users any compelling
reason to

switch.

If your mission is not significantly changing, why should you change

your hardware and software?

99% of all real business applications ran just fine on Windows
3.1 on

a 396. If you are just doing bookkeeping, inventory and point of
sale,

you don't need that much computing power.

All of these flashy graphics do not actually add much to the average

business man's operation.

Hardware is pretty stagnant these days so I am not really sure why

they need a different OS.







Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and
its

price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to
put

Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste

the money.



The OS is not free, it is just bundled into the overpriced hardware.

IBM did the same thing with the System 360, all the software was free

including on site support ... until LBJ sued them over it.



Apple gets away with it because they are still a small player.



Most people do not get the retail version of windows anyway. They get

it bundled with the software and it is about $35-40 that way based on

what you can get a bare (or linux) system for.



I don't even pay that. When you get an off lease machine the extra

cost is negligible and you could reinstall that OS on a brand new

machine if you wanted to. You just need the sticker ... or just the

numbers.

I am not even sure Microsoft is checking for duplicate XP

installations these days. I do have a good W-7 number if I wanted to

play with it but I have XP on that machine now.

I have still not seen a compelling need to go to 7 or 8.



I am not impressed with the idea that just being newer is always

better.



I just fired up a win 8.1 machine. So far everything is loading in

flawlessly, even the 1999 Mapsource from Garmin. I'm in the process of

loading the 2014 map data now. So far so good.

Can you do that on a Win7?

Yes. If you have a GPS WITH LIFETIME MAPS

From what I can determine Win 8 is basically Win 7 with an updated HMI
interface and display.



Goes deeper than that I think. I know there is a bios upgrade that has
something to do with the way the HDD stores information and how much of
it you get to use.... Haven't looked further than that, ran up aginst
that when we thought of taking our Win 8 system and reverting to 7..

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't use
them.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/3/2014 6:22 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2014 4:42:59 PM UTC-6, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,

says...





What is a 'hard reset'?



When you have to power off your PC because it doesn't respond to

keyboard or mouse input.

I've had to do that with my old box. even unplugged it for a day. That helped.


Just needed a rest after a hard fought debate with Harry. :-)

You want a tonic?

F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't use
them.

P.s. My new Mac is "preparing for shipment" but from where I don't know.
Could be china, the USA, or Ireland .

In article ,
says...

On 2/3/2014 5:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...


Apple is giving away its OS to users with five and six year old
computers. It's hardly bundled for those users. Oh, and I recently
perused the web pages of two large Windoze computer suppliers for a
laptop similar to mine and a desktop similar to what I ordered. There
was less than $100 price difference either way, and what I saw from Dell
and HP were rather clunky desktops or all in ones and laptops that are
two generations behind in design. And of course, they run Windoze.

Unless you get specific, this means nothing.
If you want the Apple logo, you have to pay up for it.
Simple as that.



Not necessarily. Here's the Windows Vista laptop I am using right now
.... :-)

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/DSC_8888.jpg?t=1391469190

I antipicipated that when I wrote "logo."
But it is an option. A pretty good one. (-:

On 2/3/2014 7:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:

Apple offers incremental improvements to its OS, not do-overs, and its
price is right. Mavericks, the latest, costs $0.00. I was going to put
Win 7 on my Macbook Air, but for $100+, I simply decided not to waste the money.


True, Mavericks was a free upgrade but not without some disappointments.
It will not run some popular programs that previous versions of the Apple OSX ran.

An example is Pro-Tools 9. I had a brand new, unopened box with
Pro-Tools that I was looking forward to installing in the iMac once I
became familiar with it. Pro-Tools is a professional grade audio
recording software package.

Pro-Tools isn't cheap. The current version is $699. I decided to install
my copy only to find out that Mavericks (which I upgraded to a month ago)
won't run it. My options are to revert back to the older, 10.8.5 OSX
(whatever they called it) or go out and purchase the newer version.

I'll stick with the full Garage Band for now.

That all said though, I like the iMac. Nice display and is faster for
some of the things I like to do with audio and video. For many purposes
though I still think it's an overgrown, high priced iPhone. :-)

There isn't one windoze app I used to use that I haven't found a better
replacement for on my macs. Even the Mac version of ms office suite runs
better. The photo apps are better. The big database manager I use is
better. I am sure there are better windoze apps out there but I don't use
them.


I don't use the iMac for anything other than recording and mixing stuff.
Still learning the techniques. I was looking forward to learning
Pro-Tools but for $699 for the latest version that will run on
Mavericks, I can wait.

Actually, the full blown version of Garage Band is very good. The
version that comes in a Mac is a scaled down version. For a one time
charge of $4.99 you can upgrade to the full version that is very
extensive and powerful. It will probably do me fine for the level I'll
ever get to.

I also started fooling around with the video editing and "Movie Maker"
program that is in the iMac. It's much better than Microsoft's current
"Movie Maker" with many more features and editing capabilities. Just
started fooling around with that.