On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 19:15:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

That means the "country" did not fail
her, as presented by out resident liberal in chief and general
anti-establishment advocate. :-)

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Unfortunately his twisted mind probably considers that a compliment.

On 2/2/2014 2:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 19:15:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

That means the "country" did not fail
her, as presented by out resident liberal in chief and general
anti-establishment advocate. :-)

===

Unfortunately his twisted mind probably considers that a compliment.



I don't know about twisted minds but I think many "progressive liberals"
are a little befuddled due to living in La-La land too long.

On 2/2/14, 7:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/2/2014 2:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 19:15:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

That means the "country" did not fail
her, as presented by out resident liberal in chief and general
anti-establishment advocate. :-)

===

Unfortunately his twisted mind probably considers that a compliment.



I don't know about twisted minds but I think many "progressive liberals"
are a little befuddled due to living in La-La land too long.



Perhaps we can add "Americans who get sick" to the list of groups and
concepts upon which Republicans are making war...let's see...women,
gays, latinos, people who have sex, blacks, peace, students, the poor,
the middle class, non-christians, immigrants. the environment, the
unemployed...I'm sure there are more.

Here's something to think about:

Many studies have shown that abortion rates drop dramatically when
contraception is free and easily accessible.

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

Is the answer that they really do not care about babies but, rather,
they want to punish women for having sex, even forced sex?

The Republican war on women is real and happening now.


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On 2/2/2014 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/2/14, 7:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/2/2014 2:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 19:15:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

That means the "country" did not fail
her, as presented by out resident liberal in chief and general
anti-establishment advocate. :-)

===

Unfortunately his twisted mind probably considers that a compliment.



I don't know about twisted minds but I think many "progressive liberals"
are a little befuddled due to living in La-La land too long.



Perhaps we can add "Americans who get sick" to the list of groups and
concepts upon which Republicans are making war...let's see...women,
gays, latinos, people who have sex, blacks, peace, students, the poor,
the middle class, non-christians, immigrants. the environment, the
unemployed...I'm sure there are more.

Here's something to think about:

Many studies have shown that abortion rates drop dramatically when
contraception is free and easily accessible.

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

Is the answer that they really do not care about babies but, rather,
they want to punish women for having sex, even forced sex?

The Republican war on women is real and happening now.



In your mind maybe.

In my mind here are the fundamental differences between conservatives
and liberal "progressives":

Conservatives believe in personal choice, (within the limits of
reasonable laws) personal responsibility and personal accountability
for one's actions in life.

Progressives believe that too many people lack personal responsibility
and accountability for their own actions and therefore the government
should step in and solve all their problems ... or the problems they
create.

I will concede that there is an ultra-right faction that for religious
reasons or whatever would like to see things laws like Roe vs Wade
overturned but they don't represent the majority of conservative
thinking. Most I know are like myself ... I personally don't believe in
abortions for *all* reasons but respect the right of others to think
otherwise.

Conservative men aren't waging a war on women. We love women.
How many conservative gays do you know? :-)

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:56:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/2/2014 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/2/14, 7:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/2/2014 2:35 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 19:15:32 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

That means the "country" did not fail
her, as presented by out resident liberal in chief and general
anti-establishment advocate. :-)

===

Unfortunately his twisted mind probably considers that a compliment.



I don't know about twisted minds but I think many "progressive liberals"
are a little befuddled due to living in La-La land too long.



Perhaps we can add "Americans who get sick" to the list of groups and
concepts upon which Republicans are making war...let's see...women,
gays, latinos, people who have sex, blacks, peace, students, the poor,
the middle class, non-christians, immigrants. the environment, the
unemployed...I'm sure there are more.

Here's something to think about:

Many studies have shown that abortion rates drop dramatically when
contraception is free and easily accessible.

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

Is the answer that they really do not care about babies but, rather,
they want to punish women for having sex, even forced sex?

The Republican war on women is real and happening now.



In your mind maybe.

In my mind here are the fundamental differences between conservatives
and liberal "progressives":

Conservatives believe in personal choice, (within the limits of
reasonable laws) personal responsibility and personal accountability
for one's actions in life.

Progressives believe that too many people lack personal responsibility
and accountability for their own actions and therefore the government
should step in and solve all their problems ... or the problems they
create.

I will concede that there is an ultra-right faction that for religious
reasons or whatever would like to see things laws like Roe vs Wade
overturned but they don't represent the majority of conservative
thinking. Most I know are like myself ... I personally don't believe in
abortions for *all* reasons but respect the right of others to think
otherwise.

Conservative men aren't waging a war on women. We love women.
How many conservative gays do you know? :-)


Uh, does 'flip-flopping' count?

On 2/2/2014 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Perhaps we can add "Americans who get sick" to the list of groups and
concepts upon which Republicans are making war...let's see...women,
gays, latinos, people who have sex, blacks, peace, students, the poor,
the middle class, non-christians, immigrants. the environment, the
unemployed...I'm sure there are more.

Here's something to think about:

You should start thinking too. It would do you a world of good

Many studies have shown that abortion rates drop dramatically when
contraception is free and easily accessible.

Poverty rates drop dramatically when money is free and easily accessible.

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.
I'm sure you'd be willing to help fund the effort if you had a chance to
put your money where your mouth is.

Is the answer that they really do not care about babies but, rather,
they want to punish women for having sex, even forced sex?

No. Try again. Think harder this time.

The Republican war on women is real and happening now.

please explain. This might take some time to wrap your head around it,
so think it over and give us a rational answer when you are ready.


--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 2/2/2014 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Perhaps we can add "Americans who get sick" to the list of groups and
concepts upon which Republicans are making war...let's see...women,
gays, latinos, people who have sex, blacks, peace, students, the poor,
the middle class, non-christians, immigrants. the environment, the
unemployed...I'm sure there are more.

Here's something to think about:

You should start thinking too. It would do you a world of good

Many studies have shown that abortion rates drop dramatically when
contraception is free and easily accessible.

Poverty rates drop dramatically when money is free and easily accessible.

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.
I'm sure you'd be willing to help fund the effort if you had a chance to
put your money where your mouth is.

Is the answer that they really do not care about babies but, rather,
they want to punish women for having sex, even forced sex?

No. Try again. Think harder this time.

The Republican war on women is real and happening now.

please explain. This might take some time to wrap your head around it,
so think it over and give us a rational answer when you are ready.


Yup.

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

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There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

I suppose you'd consider it a 'personal insult' if I said that's just more ****?

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who provide the handouts.

THAT'S control.

On 2/2/14, 11:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

I suppose you'd consider it a 'personal insult' if I said that's just more ****?

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who provide the handouts.

THAT'S control.


Oh, I don't give a tinker's dam what you think of my opinions, so long
as you don't make it personal.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.