On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:19:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.

And I know of only one that prohibits birth control - the Catholic Church. There may be more, but
they aren't major. I also know many Catholics. I know of none who don't practice birth control. It
is a widely disregarded mandate.

I'm a firm believer in free birth control, and I have no problem with guidance counselors
distributing prophylactics. I *would* like to see one of these studies that show the huge declines
in unwed pregnancies when free birth control was provided.

I also agree with 'free' morning after pills for those who couldn't or wouldn't use another form of
birth control. This should prevent pregnancies from rape or incest.

I don't agree with the killing of viable infants - born or unborn.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

I suppose you'd consider it a 'personal insult' if I said that's just more ****?

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who provide the handouts.

THAT'S control.

On 2/2/2014 11:24 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.


I call bull**** on both of you.

On 2/2/2014 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:37:52 -0500, Hank wrote:

Good point, there are far more unfunded government pensions than
private sector pensions. The biggest one is Social Security

What happened to the social security *trust fund*


FDR passed the legislation that allowed the government to spend in it
1939 and they have spent every dime of it since then.
The trust fund was just another line item on the debt since then.



I thought the legislation allowed the transfer of *excess* funds to the
general treasury.

There are economists that claim that's how Bill Clinton was able to
claim a "surplus" in the latter part of his administration. The dot com
bubble produced SS contributions far in excess of payouts and the
excesses were transferred to the general fund.

On 2/2/2014 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.


Are you suggesting you can't have principals, beliefs, and morals,
without religion?

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:19:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.



If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.


Excellent points. I am personally surprised that they are not more
widely embraced. It's not like all of these unwanted children are
becoming good little church goers and model citizens.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.

No doubt.

On 2/2/14, 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

Keep talking about the war on women and some day they might start
believing you.


Check the polls...they do.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:46:42 -0500, Hank wrote:

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.


I call bull**** on both of you.

===

Greg makes some excellent points. You disagree?

On 2/2/14, 11:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

I suppose you'd consider it a 'personal insult' if I said that's just more ****?

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who provide the handouts.

THAT'S control.


Oh, I don't give a tinker's dam what you think of my opinions, so long
as you don't make it personal.

--
There’s no point crying over spilled 4-Methylcyclohexanemethanol.

On 2/2/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:19:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.



If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.


Excellent points. I am personally surprised that they are not more
widely embraced. It's not like all of these unwanted children are
becoming good little church goers and model citizens.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.

No doubt.


There's a difference between "free" (or subsidized) birth control
devices and "free" (or subsidized) abortions. Both should require
personal responsibility as a prerequisite.

No religious influence on my part.