On 2/2/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:19:28 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.



If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.


Excellent points. I am personally surprised that they are not more
widely embraced. It's not like all of these unwanted children are
becoming good little church goers and model citizens.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.

No doubt.


No doubt in your mind.. Some of us just see a viable human being and
want to have a discussion as to when it's ok to kill that person...
Noting to do with religion..

On 2/2/2014 12:40 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:46:42 -0500, Hank wrote:


The ONLY issue is religious.

I disagree




Religious and...control over women.

I disagree



I call bull**** on both of you.

I agree

===

Greg makes some excellent points. You disagree?

see above

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:41:34 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

I suppose you'd consider it a 'personal insult' if I said that's just more ****?

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who provide the handouts.

THAT'S control.


Oh, I don't give a tinker's dam what you think of my opinions, so long
as you don't make it personal.

If calling a statement you make '****' is taken personally by you, then you have a problem.

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who provide the handouts.
THAT'S control.

Did you find the name-calling? I can't remember it.

On 2/2/2014 12:40 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:46:42 -0500, Hank wrote:

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.


I call bull**** on both of you.

===

Greg makes some excellent points. You disagree?

The women who take advantage of birth control, whether self paid or from
some government giveaway, aren't the breeding factories that train
their offspring to game the system and generally keep an undesireable
element growing and multiplying.

On 2/2/2014 12:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/2/14, 11:42 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:24:55 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/2/14, 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth
control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.



Religious and...control over women.

I suppose you'd consider it a 'personal insult' if I said that's just
more ****?

Liberals espousing the dependency of women on the government are the
folks using 'control over
women'. Have more kids, get more money -- but vote for those who
provide the handouts.

THAT'S control.


Oh, I don't give a tinker's dam what you think of my opinions, so long
as you don't make it personal.

I should think that making it personal would warm the cockles of your
heart. If not. Why not? And when did you first have a change of heart.

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:37:52 -0500, Hank wrote:

Good point, there are far more unfunded government pensions than
private sector pensions. The biggest one is Social Security

What happened to the social security *trust fund*


FDR passed the legislation that allowed the government to spend in it
1939 and they have spent every dime of it since then.
The trust fund was just another line item on the debt since then.

The trust fund is paying off.
Thank God and FDR for the trust fund.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/trsum/

It's the same as US Savings Bonds in that it will be paid.
Good as gold, and backed by the full faith and credit of the United
States of America.
Only Congress can change it.
They're welcome to try.

Where is the money? Where are real assets backing that "trust fund"? The
government spent the money, and it is just an undocumented part of the
national debt. The government will have to tax people again to pay for the
"trust fund" obligations.

On 2/2/2014 11:01 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 13:25:40 -0500, Hank wrote:


The women who take advantage of birth control, whether self paid or from
some government giveaway, aren't the breeding factories that train
their offspring to game the system and generally keep an undesireable
element growing and multiplying.

That is a bit harsher than what I said because these girls usually did
not plan on being pregnant (breeding factories) but once they are they
are doomed to a life of poverty and public assistance about 99,99% of
the time, particularly if the baby daddy is in the wind, as is usually
the case.
You all know I am a cheap *******
Getting this girl "un****ed" and back in school is the cheapest thing
we can do. It is also best for her, the baby she didn't have and the
rest of society.
Once she gets in a stable place, with a hubby and job skills she can
put the dice back in the cup and throw the family dice again


If you want to discuss what you said, please include it in your quote.
I don't know which girls you are referring to.

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:26:30 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.


Are you suggesting you can't have principals, beliefs, and morals,
without religion?

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

On 2/2/2014 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 13:11:27 -0500, KC wrote:

Some of us just see a viable human being and
want to have a discussion as to when it's ok to kill that person...

You have no problem when they are 15 and just shot a cop.
I am just nipping it in the bud.


Wth does that have to do with anything?

On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 05:21:38 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 10:39 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:26:30 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/2/2014 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 09:55:50 -0500, Hank wrote:

So, why do so many self-described pro-lifers oppose
free and accessible birth control?

For some it's a religious issue. Others believe it's an area that that
the govt. has no jurisdiction over. Free and accessible birth control is
fine so long as tax payers are not burdened with paying for it.

If you are actually a fiscal conservative you know money spent on
birth control and abortion comes back 100 fold in welfare and prison
costs you don't have to spend.
It is a very efficient use of public money. Birth control and abortion
should be part of any welfare package.

When a single 15 year old has a baby, it destroys 2 lives and they
become a burden on the rest of society, virtually every time.

The ONLY issue is religious.


Are you suggesting you can't have principals, beliefs, and morals,
without religion?

I am saying you can and they do not have to include church dogma.
I have no problem with religious organizations denying these services
in their hospitals and as employers but I don't want them imposing it
on everyone else through legislation.


Now you are starting to sound like harry.... I don't see the little nuns
trying to push their agenda on anybody else, they just don't want to be
covered or charged for abortions....

Read it again:

"I have no problem with religious organizations *denying* these services
in their hospitals and as employers..."

Harry would insist that the Sisters of Charity perform abortions - free, of course.