On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On 26 Jan 2014 21:53:38 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:14:27 -0500, Hank wrote:

On 1/26/2014 1:45 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:02:10 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Hey Krausebag, how's it going with you? I'm heading to New York next
week and was wondering if there were photos (possibly in the harbor
archives) of your father's fireboat welcome in New York Harbor? You
know, the one he received after crossing the Atlantic in a dingy. It
would be very rewarding to see the photos and historical account.
What was the date of his arrival?

Krausebag has fallen uncharacteristically mute. Odd, isn't it, how
Google Search has effectively ended Krausebag's pitiful, fabricated life.


He was here earlier today. Maybe he's out on his boat honing his nav skills.

===

Probably so now that he's recently discovered that he owns a boat and
actually has electronic navigation software for it. I can undertand
his reticence however, what with the Feds digging around looking for
property they can seize. What a pitiful life our hero leads.

You got proof of that, or are you just idly smearing?
You and "Hank" are sure interested in Krause.
Big mistake for Krause to take "Hank" out of the "Bozo Bin".
But Krause is sure coming out on top.
We'll see how long it lasts.

Wayne is binned and hank is on the cusp. They obviously prefer the way
rec.boats was.

Harry, you keep advertising your filters. Why is that?


You are neither in charge here nor the inquisitor, eh?

And, I'll admit to bragging about my filters too. They're K&N's that've been on the Guzzi for about
20 years now. Wash them every few months, add a little 'cherry juice' and they're good to go for
another year.

What kind of air filters do you use on that Ducati? ;)


The same brand, K&N.

On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:

On 26 Jan 2014 21:53:38 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:



Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,

says...



On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:14:27 -0500, Hank wrote:



On 1/26/2014 1:45 PM, wrote:

On Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:02:10 PM UTC-6, wrote:

Hey Krausebag, how's it going with you? I'm heading to New York next

week and was wondering if there were photos (possibly in the harbor

archives) of your father's fireboat welcome in New York Harbor? You

know, the one he received after crossing the Atlantic in a dingy. It

would be very rewarding to see the photos and historical account.

What was the date of his arrival?



Krausebag has fallen uncharacteristically mute. Odd, isn't it, how

Google Search has effectively ended Krausebag's pitiful, fabricated life.





He was here earlier today. Maybe he's out on his boat honing his nav skills.



===



Probably so now that he's recently discovered that he owns a boat and

actually has electronic navigation software for it. I can undertand

his reticence however, what with the Feds digging around looking for

property they can seize. What a pitiful life our hero leads.



You got proof of that, or are you just idly smearing?

You and "Hank" are sure interested in Krause.

Big mistake for Krause to take "Hank" out of the "Bozo Bin".

But Krause is sure coming out on top.

We'll see how long it lasts.



Wayne is binned and hank is on the cusp. They obviously prefer the way

rec.boats was.



Harry, you keep advertising your filters. Why is that?





You are neither in charge here nor the inquisitor, eh?



And, I'll admit to bragging about my filters too. They're K&N's that've been on the Guzzi for about

20 years now. Wash them every few months, add a little 'cherry juice' and they're good to go for

another year.



What kind of air filters do you use on that Ducati? ;)





The same brand, K&N.

K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:



The same brand, K&N.

K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)

We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's
probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air
filter.

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!

On 1/29/2014 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!


I know I noted it before but the filters K+N makes for dirtbikes in my
opinion wouldn't protect a typical MX engine for more than a few laps on
a dusty day.... The clay dust we have at our facility will pass right
through them in my opinion. I don't know anybody that uses them,
period... and if they do, it's probably why I don't know them, them not
being at the track with the blown up motors and all....

For John in particular. I would think that two Twin Air filters, and one
20 dollar two pack of No Toil, would last as long as you will be riding
the bike...... unless you are gonna' change that air filter more than
say, 40-50 times in that period

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:47:51 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!


I know I noted it before but the filters K+N makes for dirtbikes in my
opinion wouldn't protect a typical MX engine for more than a few laps on
a dusty day.... The clay dust we have at our facility will pass right
through them in my opinion. I don't know anybody that uses them,
period... and if they do, it's probably why I don't know them, them not
being at the track with the blown up motors and all....

For John in particular. I would think that two Twin Air filters, and one
20 dollar two pack of No Toil, would last as long as you will be riding
the bike...... unless you are gonna' change that air filter more than
say, 40-50 times in that period

I looked at the site, but could find nothing that looked like it would work on the Guzzi. You can
see mine behind the carb. It doesn't look new, 'cause it's 23 years old.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...uzziEngine.jpg

On 1/29/2014 1:10 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:47:51 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!


I know I noted it before but the filters K+N makes for dirtbikes in my
opinion wouldn't protect a typical MX engine for more than a few laps on
a dusty day.... The clay dust we have at our facility will pass right
through them in my opinion. I don't know anybody that uses them,
period... and if they do, it's probably why I don't know them, them not
being at the track with the blown up motors and all....

For John in particular. I would think that two Twin Air filters, and one
20 dollar two pack of No Toil, would last as long as you will be riding
the bike...... unless you are gonna' change that air filter more than
say, 40-50 times in that period

I looked at the site, but could find nothing that looked like it would work on the Guzzi. You can
see mine behind the carb. It doesn't look new, 'cause it's 23 years old.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...uzziEngine.jpg


Yeah, I am not sure if twin air makes anything for that, but then again,
you don't force the amount of crap though a filter we do.. For instance,
our actual filter area, for a 100 cc engine is probably 5-8 times larger
than the flow area of your filter, and we typically change it every
30-60 minutes of riding

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!

The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock
filter is a nightmare to change.

On 1/29/2014 12:53 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!

The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock
filter is a nightmare to change.


Lot of parts to move out of the way, or hard to get out without
polluting the carb, or both??

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:29:08 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 12:53 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!

The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock
filter is a nightmare to change.


Lot of parts to move out of the way, or hard to get out without
polluting the carb, or both??

It fits in a plastic box under the tank, in front of the battery, between the cylinders, under the
frame member which goes under the tank. It's simply a bitch to get to, which is why the change to
K&N's is usually one of the first mods made to the bike.