On 1/29/2014 1:10 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:47:51 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!


I know I noted it before but the filters K+N makes for dirtbikes in my
opinion wouldn't protect a typical MX engine for more than a few laps on
a dusty day.... The clay dust we have at our facility will pass right
through them in my opinion. I don't know anybody that uses them,
period... and if they do, it's probably why I don't know them, them not
being at the track with the blown up motors and all....

For John in particular. I would think that two Twin Air filters, and one
20 dollar two pack of No Toil, would last as long as you will be riding
the bike...... unless you are gonna' change that air filter more than
say, 40-50 times in that period

I looked at the site, but could find nothing that looked like it would work on the Guzzi. You can
see mine behind the carb. It doesn't look new, 'cause it's 23 years old.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...uzziEngine.jpg


Yeah, I am not sure if twin air makes anything for that, but then again,
you don't force the amount of crap though a filter we do.. For instance,
our actual filter area, for a 100 cc engine is probably 5-8 times larger
than the flow area of your filter, and we typically change it every
30-60 minutes of riding

On 1/29/2014 1:25 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:00:33 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/29/14, 12:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:49:15 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
snipped
The same brand, K&N.

K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)


K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar
through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our
sport, not for more than two rides or so

There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but
we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or
so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean
filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of
filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in
the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no
smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic,
biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the
filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to
use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters...

http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w

All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy
the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use
exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the
standard in our sport.

http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw

Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't
know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my
two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as
much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on
earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring
myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season Think about it
though...

I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the
inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle.

It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often!


Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for
our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of
**** into the air box you never see...

I'm talking about this style:

http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?prod=SN-2540

One on each carb intake.



heheheheh.

I'm so glad you found something humorous in there, Harry.


And it does look like a bitch to get them out....

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:29:08 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 12:53 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!

The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock
filter is a nightmare to change.


Lot of parts to move out of the way, or hard to get out without
polluting the carb, or both??

It fits in a plastic box under the tank, in front of the battery, between the cylinders, under the
frame member which goes under the tank. It's simply a bitch to get to, which is why the change to
K&N's is usually one of the first mods made to the bike.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:32:19 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 12:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:49:15 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 11:22 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:10:54 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
snipped
The same brand, K&N.

K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)


K+N makes a motocross filter that you could literally pour sugar
through... it is basically a sieve. We don't use K+N anything in our
sport, not for more than two rides or so

There are several good filter systems, cleaners, and oil out there but
we use "No Toil". It's non toxic, biodegradable, you take a teaspoon or
so of poweder in the sink with some warm water and you got a clean
filter. There is no nasty petrolium smell either, if you have a lot of
filters in the rotation like we do, a quarter cup of No Toil cleaner in
the family washer will do just fine and rinses out completely leaving no
smell or residue. You use the No Toil filter oil too, again non toxic,
biodegradable, etc... The only tradeoff I can see with the stuff is the
filter oil can not be cleaned with degreaser, or soap, etc.. You need to
use the No Toil powder to clean it out of your filters...

http://www.bikebandit.com/no-toil-air-filter-oil-cleaner?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&ut m_campaign=pla&gclid=CMz7jePio7wCFSZBQgod9lMA1w

All in all, I wouldn't use anything else. I will say however, do not buy
the NoToil pre oiled filters, they just don't hold up. We use
exclusively TwinAir filters as they are strong and do the best, are the
standard in our sport.

http://www.bikebandit.com/twin-air-air-filter?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=merchantfeed&utm _campaign=pla&gclid=CKW-h8jio7wCFe6DQgodUXQAtw

Either way, I have been watching this thread but have been busy, didn't
know if I was gonna' get to this before the thread died but that's my
two cents on motorcycle filters and oil... Remember, our sport puts as
much dirt and **** to a filter system than probably any other sport on
earth.... and to this day we have never... um, sorry, just can't bring
myself to finish that sentence so close to a new season Think about it
though...

I clean my K&Ns with hot water and Simple Green - let them soak for a while, blow them out (from the
inside), let them dry, then spray them with ATF using a squirt bottle.

It's worked for over 200,000 miles, but I don't take my bike on dirt tracks too often!


Well, it's a different animal I guess... The K+N filter they make for
our bike, you can see right through but then agian, we move a lot of
**** into the air box you never see...

I'm talking about this style:

http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?prod=SN-2540

One on each carb intake.


Yes, that is the kind of filter some of the smaller mx bikes take...
only the one I saw, was not a fiber filter or paper, it was a mesh and I
could see light right through it..

No, mine is almost exactly like the one pictured. Hell, it might even be the one pictured.

On 1/29/2014 1:39 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:29:08 -0500, KC wrote:

On 1/29/2014 12:53 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 08:20:03 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:00:17 AM UTC-5, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:48:15 -0800 (PST), wrote:







The same brand, K&N.



K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)



We're talking about the filters, not the oil. Compared to the spec Moto Guzzi filters, the K&N's

probably do just as well at filtering. Plus, it's not a major mechanical nightmare to change the air

filter.

I'm talking about the K&N filters. They may flow slightly better than stock filters, but let larger particles through. Unless you are running a race engine that's full throttle most of the time and gets rebuilt frequently, there's no benefit. After all, trhe vast majority of your running time is at partial throttle, and the stock filter can easily flow that much air. You do get a bit more intake noise, though!

The big benefit is the ease of cleaning and/or changing the filters. On an older Guzzi, the stock
filter is a nightmare to change.


Lot of parts to move out of the way, or hard to get out without
polluting the carb, or both??

It fits in a plastic box under the tank, in front of the battery, between the cylinders, under the
frame member which goes under the tank. It's simply a bitch to get to, which is why the change to
K&N's is usually one of the first mods made to the bike.


Yeah, I saw that when I saw the photo... holy crap! Wouldn't want to do
that between races

wrote:
On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/27/14, 9:53 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:05:40 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 1/26/14, 8:52 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On 26 Jan 2014 21:53:38 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:14:27 -0500, Hank wrote:
On 1/26/2014 1:45 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:02:10 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Hey Krausebag, how's it going with you? I'm heading to New York next
week and was wondering if there were photos (possibly in the harbor
archives) of your father's fireboat welcome in New York Harbor? You
know, the one he received after crossing the Atlantic in a dingy. It
would be very rewarding to see the photos and historical account.
What was the date of his arrival?
Krausebag has fallen uncharacteristically mute. Odd, isn't it, how
Google Search has effectively ended Krausebag's pitiful, fabricated life.
He was here earlier today. Maybe he's out on his boat honing his nav skills.
===
Probably so now that he's recently discovered that he owns a boat and
actually has electronic navigation software for it. I can undertand
his reticence however, what with the Feds digging around looking for
property they can seize. What a pitiful life our hero leads.
You got proof of that, or are you just idly smearing?
You and "Hank" are sure interested in Krause.
Big mistake for Krause to take "Hank" out of the "Bozo Bin".
But Krause is sure coming out on top.
We'll see how long it lasts.
Wayne is binned and hank is on the cusp. They obviously prefer the way
rec.boats was.
Harry, you keep advertising your filters. Why is that?
You are neither in charge here nor the inquisitor, eh?
And, I'll admit to bragging about my filters too. They're K&N's that've been on the Guzzi for about
20 years now. Wash them every few months, add a little 'cherry juice' and they're good to go for
another year.
What kind of air filters do you use on that Ducati? ;)


The same brand, K&N.
K&N is snake oil. No real benefit, lets more junk in. May not matter if the motor isn't real. :-)
Good point!

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:12:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/29/14, 9:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2014 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:20:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/28/2014 5:30 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/27/2014 7:23 PM, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


I had dual exhaust and a K&N filter installed on my F-250 with
promises
of significantly higher fuel mileage. Truck sounds good but I
haven't
noticed any improved mpg. In fact in the winter it goes down.

Did you notice more giddy-up-and-go?

My 5.4L in my F-150 gets 15 in the city during the summer and 13
in the city during the
winter when consuming oxygenated gas. The problem is that I burn
the same amout of gas to go
the same distance with the added benefit of spewing MTBE type
chemicals in the winter.


If there's more "giddy up" I really don't notice it. My F-250 has the
same engine as your F-150 but they have different transmissions and
the
F-250 weighs a bit more. I've noticed that my son's F-150 with the
5.4L
always seemed to have more "giddy-up" than my truck. I think the big
difference is the transmission.

I have a 3.15 with "Posi"


Up until the 10th generation of Ford's "F" series trucks (1997-2003)
the F-250 and F-350 series were based on the F-150 design but beefed up
in terms of payload, etc. At that point the F-150 was redesigned and
the F-250 and F-350 "Super Duty" series became a separate product line
and differ considerably with the more current models of the F-150. They
still share some common components, such as engines but otherwise are
totally different trucks. Your F-150 rides better, handles better and,
as previously noted, has more "pep" in normal driving. The Super Duty
series are much harder riding and have a "TorqueShift" transmission that
operates similar to the Allison transmission that GM uses in their
heavier duty trucks.

I bought the Super Duty because there was a potential that I'd be
hauling some heavy trailers again, but that never happened. It came
with a plow package prep, so I bought a plow for it. That's about all
the "Super Duty" it has done. If we end up heading south, I'll
probably trade it in and get a F-150 just for a more decent ride.

That all said though, I still like the truck.

The Silverado 2500 HD rides like a big, big Cadillac. Very
comfortable, even with the 4-wheel drive.
The 1500 I had before this one was the same. Friends couldn't get over
how comfortable these pickups
are. I tell them to try going around the block in a Dodge.


I test drove a Silverado 2500 before I bought the F-250. Very nice
truck but *too* soft for my liking. I also tried a friend's diesel
Silverado that is more of a work truck. Went like a raped ape but
again, it was too "soft" feeling to me. I had just come from a Ford
F-350 diesel (Harley Edition) that was just as plush inside as the
Silverado but still felt and rode like a heavy duty pickup. At the
time, that's what I was looking for. It's too bad I had the problems
with the 6.0L diesel that Ford used at the time, otherwise I would still
have that truck.

I discovered something during the long trips I made back and forth to
Florida. I was actually more comfortable and found it was less tiring
driving a stiffer feeling truck than a super soft ride and that includes
making the trip in the BMW 750 that I had for a while. I like trucks.





Speaking of diesels, have you read or heard anything about the new
smaller diesel in the smaller Dodge trucks?

Nope. My diesel (6.6L) is just the right size. Plus, I'd never own a
Dodge anything. I have ridden
in a Dodge pickup, and its ride is atrocious.

My buddy's wife has degenerative bone disease. He had to get rid of his
2000 Dodge diesel because of the nasty ride. Wife could not handle it.
Replaced it with a 2003 silverado diesel. She could handle that ride.

On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:56:23 -0600, Califbill wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:12:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/29/14, 9:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2014 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:20:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/28/2014 5:30 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/27/2014 7:23 PM, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


I had dual exhaust and a K&N filter installed on my F-250 with
promises
of significantly higher fuel mileage. Truck sounds good but I
haven't
noticed any improved mpg. In fact in the winter it goes down.

Did you notice more giddy-up-and-go?

My 5.4L in my F-150 gets 15 in the city during the summer and 13
in the city during the
winter when consuming oxygenated gas. The problem is that I burn
the same amout of gas to go
the same distance with the added benefit of spewing MTBE type
chemicals in the winter.


If there's more "giddy up" I really don't notice it. My F-250 has the
same engine as your F-150 but they have different transmissions and
the
F-250 weighs a bit more. I've noticed that my son's F-150 with the
5.4L
always seemed to have more "giddy-up" than my truck. I think the big
difference is the transmission.

I have a 3.15 with "Posi"


Up until the 10th generation of Ford's "F" series trucks (1997-2003)
the F-250 and F-350 series were based on the F-150 design but beefed up
in terms of payload, etc. At that point the F-150 was redesigned and
the F-250 and F-350 "Super Duty" series became a separate product line
and differ considerably with the more current models of the F-150. They
still share some common components, such as engines but otherwise are
totally different trucks. Your F-150 rides better, handles better and,
as previously noted, has more "pep" in normal driving. The Super Duty
series are much harder riding and have a "TorqueShift" transmission that
operates similar to the Allison transmission that GM uses in their
heavier duty trucks.

I bought the Super Duty because there was a potential that I'd be
hauling some heavy trailers again, but that never happened. It came
with a plow package prep, so I bought a plow for it. That's about all
the "Super Duty" it has done. If we end up heading south, I'll
probably trade it in and get a F-150 just for a more decent ride.

That all said though, I still like the truck.

The Silverado 2500 HD rides like a big, big Cadillac. Very
comfortable, even with the 4-wheel drive.
The 1500 I had before this one was the same. Friends couldn't get over
how comfortable these pickups
are. I tell them to try going around the block in a Dodge.


I test drove a Silverado 2500 before I bought the F-250. Very nice
truck but *too* soft for my liking. I also tried a friend's diesel
Silverado that is more of a work truck. Went like a raped ape but
again, it was too "soft" feeling to me. I had just come from a Ford
F-350 diesel (Harley Edition) that was just as plush inside as the
Silverado but still felt and rode like a heavy duty pickup. At the
time, that's what I was looking for. It's too bad I had the problems
with the 6.0L diesel that Ford used at the time, otherwise I would still
have that truck.

I discovered something during the long trips I made back and forth to
Florida. I was actually more comfortable and found it was less tiring
driving a stiffer feeling truck than a super soft ride and that includes
making the trip in the BMW 750 that I had for a while. I like trucks.





Speaking of diesels, have you read or heard anything about the new
smaller diesel in the smaller Dodge trucks?

Nope. My diesel (6.6L) is just the right size. Plus, I'd never own a
Dodge anything. I have ridden
in a Dodge pickup, and its ride is atrocious.

My buddy's wife has degenerative bone disease. He had to get rid of his
2000 Dodge diesel because of the nasty ride. Wife could not handle it.
Replaced it with a 2003 silverado diesel. She could handle that ride.

When I went to look at a Dodge pickup, I left the dealership, went around the block and returned.
Roughest riding thing I've ever been in. I think a Farmall tractor was a better ride.

On 1/30/2014 12:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:12:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/29/14, 9:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2014 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:20:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/28/2014 5:30 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/27/2014 7:23 PM, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


I had dual exhaust and a K&N filter installed on my F-250 with
promises
of significantly higher fuel mileage. Truck sounds good but I
haven't
noticed any improved mpg. In fact in the winter it goes down.

Did you notice more giddy-up-and-go?

My 5.4L in my F-150 gets 15 in the city during the summer and 13
in the city during the
winter when consuming oxygenated gas. The problem is that I burn
the same amout of gas to go
the same distance with the added benefit of spewing MTBE type
chemicals in the winter.


If there's more "giddy up" I really don't notice it. My F-250 has the
same engine as your F-150 but they have different transmissions and
the
F-250 weighs a bit more. I've noticed that my son's F-150 with the
5.4L
always seemed to have more "giddy-up" than my truck. I think the big
difference is the transmission.

I have a 3.15 with "Posi"


Up until the 10th generation of Ford's "F" series trucks (1997-2003)
the F-250 and F-350 series were based on the F-150 design but beefed up
in terms of payload, etc. At that point the F-150 was redesigned and
the F-250 and F-350 "Super Duty" series became a separate product line
and differ considerably with the more current models of the F-150. They
still share some common components, such as engines but otherwise are
totally different trucks. Your F-150 rides better, handles better and,
as previously noted, has more "pep" in normal driving. The Super Duty
series are much harder riding and have a "TorqueShift" transmission that
operates similar to the Allison transmission that GM uses in their
heavier duty trucks.

I bought the Super Duty because there was a potential that I'd be
hauling some heavy trailers again, but that never happened. It came
with a plow package prep, so I bought a plow for it. That's about all
the "Super Duty" it has done. If we end up heading south, I'll
probably trade it in and get a F-150 just for a more decent ride.

That all said though, I still like the truck.

The Silverado 2500 HD rides like a big, big Cadillac. Very
comfortable, even with the 4-wheel drive.
The 1500 I had before this one was the same. Friends couldn't get over
how comfortable these pickups
are. I tell them to try going around the block in a Dodge.


I test drove a Silverado 2500 before I bought the F-250. Very nice
truck but *too* soft for my liking. I also tried a friend's diesel
Silverado that is more of a work truck. Went like a raped ape but
again, it was too "soft" feeling to me. I had just come from a Ford
F-350 diesel (Harley Edition) that was just as plush inside as the
Silverado but still felt and rode like a heavy duty pickup. At the
time, that's what I was looking for. It's too bad I had the problems
with the 6.0L diesel that Ford used at the time, otherwise I would still
have that truck.

I discovered something during the long trips I made back and forth to
Florida. I was actually more comfortable and found it was less tiring
driving a stiffer feeling truck than a super soft ride and that includes
making the trip in the BMW 750 that I had for a while. I like trucks.





Speaking of diesels, have you read or heard anything about the new
smaller diesel in the smaller Dodge trucks?

Nope. My diesel (6.6L) is just the right size. Plus, I'd never own a
Dodge anything. I have ridden
in a Dodge pickup, and its ride is atrocious.

My buddy's wife has degenerative bone disease. He had to get rid of his
2000 Dodge diesel because of the nasty ride. Wife could not handle it.
Replaced it with a 2003 silverado diesel. She could handle that ride.


When I was looking for trucks, we drove a F150, man it was a nice ride.
Best of any of the full size 4 door p'ups we drove.. Like a caddilac
compared to my Jeep

On 1/30/2014 1:41 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:56:23 -0600, Califbill wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:12:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 1/29/14, 9:08 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/29/2014 8:27 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:20:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/28/2014 5:30 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/27/2014 7:23 PM, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...


I had dual exhaust and a K&N filter installed on my F-250 with
promises
of significantly higher fuel mileage. Truck sounds good but I
haven't
noticed any improved mpg. In fact in the winter it goes down.

Did you notice more giddy-up-and-go?

My 5.4L in my F-150 gets 15 in the city during the summer and 13
in the city during the
winter when consuming oxygenated gas. The problem is that I burn
the same amout of gas to go
the same distance with the added benefit of spewing MTBE type
chemicals in the winter.


If there's more "giddy up" I really don't notice it. My F-250 has the
same engine as your F-150 but they have different transmissions and
the
F-250 weighs a bit more. I've noticed that my son's F-150 with the
5.4L
always seemed to have more "giddy-up" than my truck. I think the big
difference is the transmission.

I have a 3.15 with "Posi"


Up until the 10th generation of Ford's "F" series trucks (1997-2003)
the F-250 and F-350 series were based on the F-150 design but beefed up
in terms of payload, etc. At that point the F-150 was redesigned and
the F-250 and F-350 "Super Duty" series became a separate product line
and differ considerably with the more current models of the F-150. They
still share some common components, such as engines but otherwise are
totally different trucks. Your F-150 rides better, handles better and,
as previously noted, has more "pep" in normal driving. The Super Duty
series are much harder riding and have a "TorqueShift" transmission that
operates similar to the Allison transmission that GM uses in their
heavier duty trucks.

I bought the Super Duty because there was a potential that I'd be
hauling some heavy trailers again, but that never happened. It came
with a plow package prep, so I bought a plow for it. That's about all
the "Super Duty" it has done. If we end up heading south, I'll
probably trade it in and get a F-150 just for a more decent ride.

That all said though, I still like the truck.

The Silverado 2500 HD rides like a big, big Cadillac. Very
comfortable, even with the 4-wheel drive.
The 1500 I had before this one was the same. Friends couldn't get over
how comfortable these pickups
are. I tell them to try going around the block in a Dodge.


I test drove a Silverado 2500 before I bought the F-250. Very nice
truck but *too* soft for my liking. I also tried a friend's diesel
Silverado that is more of a work truck. Went like a raped ape but
again, it was too "soft" feeling to me. I had just come from a Ford
F-350 diesel (Harley Edition) that was just as plush inside as the
Silverado but still felt and rode like a heavy duty pickup. At the
time, that's what I was looking for. It's too bad I had the problems
with the 6.0L diesel that Ford used at the time, otherwise I would still
have that truck.

I discovered something during the long trips I made back and forth to
Florida. I was actually more comfortable and found it was less tiring
driving a stiffer feeling truck than a super soft ride and that includes
making the trip in the BMW 750 that I had for a while. I like trucks.





Speaking of diesels, have you read or heard anything about the new
smaller diesel in the smaller Dodge trucks?

Nope. My diesel (6.6L) is just the right size. Plus, I'd never own a
Dodge anything. I have ridden
in a Dodge pickup, and its ride is atrocious.

My buddy's wife has degenerative bone disease. He had to get rid of his
2000 Dodge diesel because of the nasty ride. Wife could not handle it.
Replaced it with a 2003 silverado diesel. She could handle that ride.

When I went to look at a Dodge pickup, I left the dealership, went around the block and returned.
Roughest riding thing I've ever been in. I think a Farmall tractor was a better ride.



I had a Dodge Ram 2500 HD for a while. Agreed, it was one rough riding
truck. Hit a crack in the road and bounce your head off the headliner.
I ended up giving it to one of my nephews when he was in Florida to use
as his construction business truck. He ended up blowing the
transmission running it in the quarter mile at some dragstrip.