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On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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iBoaterer wrote:
In article 2056083870406239244.194704bmckeenospam- , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! Sure, Scotty. Dumbass, You are really showing you are a Dumbass. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. |
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On 11/15/13, 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. Nice wiggling and subject changing. I'm sure that works at your tea bagger socials. -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/15/13, 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. Nice wiggling and subject changing. I'm sure that works at your tea bagger socials. No wiggling and subject changing. You tried to say Iraq was Bush's fault. He had enough guilt, but so did Clinton. Al Gore is probably very happy he did not have to deal with 9/11 or Katrina. |
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On 11/15/13, 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. Nice wiggling and subject changing. I'm sure that works at your tea bagger socials. No wiggling and subject changing. You tried to say Iraq was Bush's fault. He had enough guilt, but so did Clinton. Al Gore is probably very happy he did not have to deal with 9/11 or Katrina. Bush invaded Iraq, Clinton did not. That makes Bush 100 times more guilty. I don't play Greg Fretwell's game of "same-same." -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/15/13, 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. Nice wiggling and subject changing. I'm sure that works at your tea bagger socials. No wiggling and subject changing. You tried to say Iraq was Bush's fault. He had enough guilt, but so did Clinton. Al Gore is probably very happy he did not have to deal with 9/11 or Katrina. Bush invaded Iraq, Clinton did not. That makes Bush 100 times more guilty. I don't play Greg Fretwell's game of "same-same." I guess someone is not attacking you at your house, if they do not break down the front or rear door, and just lob bullets or explosives at your house from a distance. You do not have a right to shoot your shotgun at them as they are not breaking in. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/15/13, 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. Nice wiggling and subject changing. I'm sure that works at your tea bagger socials. No wiggling and subject changing. You tried to say Iraq was Bush's fault. He had enough guilt, but so did Clinton. Al Gore is probably very happy he did not have to deal with 9/11 or Katrina. Bush invaded Iraq, Clinton did not. That makes Bush 100 times more guilty. I don't play Greg Fretwell's game of "same-same." Clinton attacked Iraq hundreds, probably thousands of times! |
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On 11/15/13, 5:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 4:25 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 4:02 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:17 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 3:08 PM, Califbill wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 11/15/13, 2:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/15/2013 12:24 PM, wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:48:54 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Bernie Sanders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq-xjwgol4Q Bernie uses a lot of platitudes that are not exactly true in his tirades against the job makers. The Clinton "surplus" was mostly projections based on the dot com bubble never ending. The cost of the Iraq war is inflated. We were already in an Iraq war when Bush came in and it wasn't cheap then. Pension costs are going to be there no matter what. The tax cuts were across the board, not just for the rich. That is why almost half of the people pay no income taxes at all. Clinton's "surplus" was also a result of excess Social Security revenues that were transferred to the General Fund. The excesses were the result of a robust but artificial economy based on dot.com companies that never produced a product. The transfer of excess SS revenues to the General Fund is legal but it's a bit of creative accounting to claim it erased the deficit and produced a surplus. I'm sorry, I must have missed the off budget accounting for the two wars Bush started. Actually, they were wars Clinton was involved in, and Bush just continued. Oh, right, because Clinton dispatched so many troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. Right, I get it...Bush just "continued" the wars. How much was that Naval carrier groups and bombing and missile firing costing? Nothing? Not likely! How much did the Balkans cost? Somalia? All Clinton failures! You were discussing Bush's "continuation" of Clinton's non-troop-involvement-on-Iraqi-Afghani soil. But I can play along with stupid. How much did our involvement in the Balkans cost in terms of American deaths and expenditures and time and our involvement in Somalia, in the same terms, compared to Bush's misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh, and our involvement in the Yugoslav wars was a restoration of peace mission. It succeeded. In the Battle of Mogadishu, 18 U.S. troops were killed. In the attack on the Beirut barracks during the Reagan Administration, about 300 U.S. and French service personnel were killed. You know, I don't recall any "Benghazi" bull**** claims against Reagan from the Dems back then. Clinton failed in getting those 18 killed. Neglected to supply the men on the ground with adequate equipment. Just because it is an air war, does not mean it is free. Nor that the war can be won. More likely, just means lots of people get killed, and nothing is resolved. 1920s, an Italian general named Giulio Douhet had the theory of massive air bombardment would win wars without ground troops. Did that work in WW2? Viet Nam? Iraq? Clinton just farted around with 8 years of spending and killing, and accomplished nothing. Should Bush have sent in massive ground troops. In my opinion, NO. He should have sent in a couple Delta Teams to kill Saddam, or instead of bombing the radar sites, drop bombs on all known Saddam abodes. Nice wiggling and subject changing. I'm sure that works at your tea bagger socials. No wiggling and subject changing. You tried to say Iraq was Bush's fault. He had enough guilt, but so did Clinton. Al Gore is probably very happy he did not have to deal with 9/11 or Katrina. Bush invaded Iraq, Clinton did not. That makes Bush 100 times more guilty. I don't play Greg Fretwell's game of "same-same." Clinton attacked Iraq hundreds, probably thousands of times! *invade* Bill. *invade* U.S. Troops on the ground in Iraq. And for no good reason aside from Bush's ego and his administration's lies. Q. Why did George W. Bush invade Iraq? A. Because he failed to capture Osama bin Laden, and he needed something really dramatic to convince the American voters he had what it took to be re-elected., -- Religion: together we can find the cure. |
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