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Speaking of guns and horses
In article 560080384406176244.219603bmckeenospam-
, says... iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:48:41 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:48:58 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:41:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: The Pilgrims weren't the "Founding Fathers". They were "Flounder Fathers". Sure they were founding fathers. What would make you think they weren't? Is there some written classification regarding what is considered founding fathers, or who gets to make that judgment? === The pilgrims were here almost 150 years before the declaration of independence, revolutionary war and the writing/ratification of the constitution. The people behind those actions are without doubt the founding fathers. Where is this definition of "founding fathers"? === I just gave it to you. Try to pay attention in class. Oh, so YOU get to define the phrase, eh? The pilgrims definitely had an impact on the founding of our county. They settled the area first and established it as viable for western civilization. They created covenants and laws and developed the area, and usually made inroads with the local native population. === I would argue that although the pilgrims were among the first settlers they had only a small impact on the country as we know it. There were other groups right behind the pilgrims who were not religious zealots and had much more pragmatic reasons for settling the country. Virginia with its House of Burgesses certainly had much more influence on our modern governmental institutions. But that doesn't mean that no one except the forgers of the Constitution were "founding fathers".... The pilgrims had a big influence on the framers, they were the first ones to draft covenants and laws! The decisions of the pilgrims was true democracy in action. They wanted to create a society in which their freedoms would survive without persecution. The Mayflower Compact created the very government that allowed the people to have a voice in state affairs! I'd say that is quite an impact on "founding" our country and our values. Under your supposition the writers of the Magna Carta are Founding Fathers. Well, no, but I really should have expected some far-flung bull**** from you! |
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