John H wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:41:16 -0600, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:00:12 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:57:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/13/2013 7:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/13/13, 7:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/13/2013 7:18 AM, John H wrote:


The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this
would be acceptable is
unfathomable.


John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




I agree that a search of your home without a warrant showing probable
cause is unfathomable. The sneaky thing about this selectman's proposal
is that the authorization for the cops to search is tied to your permit
to own firearms. In other words, you don't agree .. you can't legally
own a firearm. To me, his idea is that in order to qualify for a gun
permit you must give the police permission to enter and search your home
ahead of time.

If there is a local law requiring guns to be locked up safely, how is
that law to be enforced?

Here's an idea:

If you have a gun and it is supposed to be locked and a kid gets his
hands on it and shoots himself or someone else, *you* go to prison.

Or, if someone steals a firearm and you don't report it right away, you
go to prison.



Those are already distinct possibilities. You can be charged for
negligence and for not storing the firearms in the prescribed manner by law.

This will **** off the Tea Party types here, but I would not object to
an inspection of my firearm storage. If a cop knocked on the door
right now and asked if I voluntarily agreed to him coming in and
checking how my guns are stored, I'd say, "Come on in".



I am not sure I would trust just any cop who knocked on my door

When I got my original machine gun stamp I did have an undersheriff
(2d in command for Lee County) make an appointment to interview my
wife and I and look at my gun safe.

That I can understand. Personally, I think retired Army officers should
be able to mount a Ma Deuce
on their hoods just to prevent assholish driving. I suppose cops should
be able to monitor the
installation and storage of same.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Not the officers. But the grunts are more familiar with weapons and should
have the right before some ossifer.

How about OCS graduates who've seen the best of both worlds. I could buy that!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Still an officer.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:31:43 -0600, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:41:16 -0600, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:00:12 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:57:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/13/2013 7:44 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/13/13, 7:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/13/2013 7:18 AM, John H wrote:


The idea that a cop could search, warrantless, your home and this
would be acceptable is
unfathomable.


John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




I agree that a search of your home without a warrant showing probable
cause is unfathomable. The sneaky thing about this selectman's proposal
is that the authorization for the cops to search is tied to your permit
to own firearms. In other words, you don't agree .. you can't legally
own a firearm. To me, his idea is that in order to qualify for a gun
permit you must give the police permission to enter and search your home
ahead of time.

If there is a local law requiring guns to be locked up safely, how is
that law to be enforced?

Here's an idea:

If you have a gun and it is supposed to be locked and a kid gets his
hands on it and shoots himself or someone else, *you* go to prison.

Or, if someone steals a firearm and you don't report it right away, you
go to prison.



Those are already distinct possibilities. You can be charged for
negligence and for not storing the firearms in the prescribed manner by law.

This will **** off the Tea Party types here, but I would not object to
an inspection of my firearm storage. If a cop knocked on the door
right now and asked if I voluntarily agreed to him coming in and
checking how my guns are stored, I'd say, "Come on in".



I am not sure I would trust just any cop who knocked on my door

When I got my original machine gun stamp I did have an undersheriff
(2d in command for Lee County) make an appointment to interview my
wife and I and look at my gun safe.

That I can understand. Personally, I think retired Army officers should
be able to mount a Ma Deuce
on their hoods just to prevent assholish driving. I suppose cops should
be able to monitor the
installation and storage of same.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Not the officers. But the grunts are more familiar with weapons and should
have the right before some ossifer.

How about OCS graduates who've seen the best of both worlds. I could buy that!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

Still an officer.

Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:15:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"

We had no special name that I know of. I guess about the closest would be 'passed over' when it came
time for promotion to O-6!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

John H wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:15:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as
an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"

We had no special name that I know of. I guess about the closest would be
'passed over' when it came
time for promotion to O-6!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I always heard of a Mustang Officer referring to the army.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:52:56 -0600, Califbill wrote:

John H wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:15:30 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained as
an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"

We had no special name that I know of. I guess about the closest would be
'passed over' when it came
time for promotion to O-6!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

I always heard of a Mustang Officer referring to the army.

I've heard the term from Marines and Navy, but never the Army.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/14/13, 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained
as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"


One of my uncles was an army mustang. He enlisted in the army right
after Pearl Harbor, was regularly promoted, achieved the rank of
sergeant, and after some sort of battlefield heroics was promoted to the
rank of officer. He died in action about six months later. My mother,
whose brother he was, told me about this, and she had correspondence she
showed me that her father and mother received from the war department or
the army or whomever that described his service, promotion to officer,
death, et cetera. After the war, my mother and father met some soldiers
from her brother's unit, and they all described him as a "mustang"
officer, meaning someone promoted up from the ranks as a result of
battlefield action.

I was a young boy when my mother told me about this, and I don't recall
any significant details. I never met that uncle because he died before I
was born, but when my mother's mother died some years later, I attended
the funeral and after she was buried, we walked over to part of the
cemetery where the uncle's gravestone was. I seem to recall that there
was a marker, but no body buried there, but I'm hazy on that. It was a
really bad day, because of my grandmother's death and funeral.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/15/2013 8:29 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/14/13, 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained
as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"


One of my uncles was an army mustang. He enlisted in the army right
after Pearl Harbor, was regularly promoted, achieved the rank of
sergeant, and after some sort of battlefield heroics was promoted to the
rank of officer. He died in action about six months later. My mother,
whose brother he was, told me about this, and she had correspondence she
showed me that her father and mother received from the war department or
the army or whomever that described his service, promotion to officer,
death, et cetera. After the war, my mother and father met some soldiers
from her brother's unit, and they all described him as a "mustang"
officer, meaning someone promoted up from the ranks as a result of
battlefield action.

I was a young boy when my mother told me about this, and I don't recall
any significant details. I never met that uncle because he died before I
was born, but when my mother's mother died some years later, I attended
the funeral and after she was buried, we walked over to part of the
cemetery where the uncle's gravestone was. I seem to recall that there
was a marker, but no body buried there, but I'm hazy on that. It was a
really bad day, because of my grandmother's death and funeral.


That was a gripping story. Well written too.
Thanks for sharing.

--
Americans deserve better.

F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/14/13, 4:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:02 PM, John H wrote:


Damn! Honestly, they don't pour out whatever knowledge you've gained
as an enlisted when you go to
OCS. ****, I was an SP5. I knew my artillery stuff pretty good!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




What were people like yourself who were enlisted and then earned a
commission called in the Army?

In the Navy it was "Mustanger"


One of my uncles was an army mustang. He enlisted in the army right
after Pearl Harbor, was regularly promoted, achieved the rank of
sergeant, and after some sort of battlefield heroics was promoted to
the rank of officer. He died in action about six months later. My
mother, whose brother he was, told me about this, and she had
correspondence she showed me that her father and mother received from
the war department or the army or whomever that described his service,
promotion to officer, death, et cetera. After the war, my mother and
father met some soldiers from her brother's unit, and they all
described him as a "mustang" officer, meaning someone promoted up from
the ranks as a result of battlefield action.

I was a young boy when my mother told me about this, and I don't
recall any significant details. I never met that uncle because he died
before I was born, but when my mother's mother died some years later,
I attended the funeral and after she was buried, we walked over to
part of the cemetery where the uncle's gravestone was. I seem to
recall that there was a marker, but no body buried there, but I'm hazy
on that. It was a really bad day, because of my grandmother's death
and funeral.

Sure.