On 10/2/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that
will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees
that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those
websites furloughed.
Nobody around to monitor for hacks.
etc, etc.



The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?

Your argument falls apart.

===

Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with
back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law
enforcement agencies..

The weather pages are still up
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc



Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine
spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,
and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.

Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they
come kick our ass.

Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking
photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report
about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was
evident.

You sure didn't look for evidence of preparation then!



The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding
roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not
enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,
huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et
cetera.

On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:17:18 PM UTC-4, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/2/13 1:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article , says...



On 10/2/13 12:12 PM, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:50:56 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 10/2/13 11:48 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 09:53:25 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:



On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 05:36:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



I don't think you know squat about this. Server electrical costs that

will be billed to the government, hosting costs and line rental fees

that will be billed to the government. Contractors who run those

websites furloughed.

Nobody around to monitor for hacks.

etc, etc.







The new, alternate website took money to create, electricity to host, and has to be monitored for hacks. You didn't know that?



Your argument falls apart.



===



Yes, and you can bet that the original web site is up and running with

back door access available to USCG, US Customs and other law

enforcement agencies..



The weather pages are still up

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mob/



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?atlc







Well, I think it would be a terrific public service if you and W'hine

spend your time keeping track of all the federal government websites,

and let us know which are or are not working at a given moment.



Unlike the people up north, we watch storms and prepare BEFORE they

come kick our ass.



Yeah, right. Sure. I was in SE Florida the day after Andrew, taking

photos, doing interviews, and helping in the preparation of a report

about what sorts of buildings failed and why. Not much preparation was

evident.



You sure didn't look for evidence of preparation then!







The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding

roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not

enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,

huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et

cetera.

You don't have the education or knowledge to be able to make those statements.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding
roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not
enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,
huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et
cetera.

That is not "preparation" it was the corrupt Dade county building
department that was doing "drive by" inspections or simply selling
approvals. Dade county set the standards that became the coastal
building code, they just did not enforce them,. It was not true in
other parts of the state. I have a poured tie beam with two #5s in it
and truss straps bigger than current code. My house was built in 1963.

Yup, codes are okay, it's the people who's job it is to make sure those
code requirements are met. The Achilles heal in the infrastructure is
shoddy residential building and as you say, corrupt officials and lazy
inspectors. It's different in commercial and industrial construction
where the architects and engineers get sued left and right for design
that doesn't meet the current building codes and there is a problem or
event.

In article ,
says...


I am on the NOAA site several times a week but I use direct links and
they are still working. It is harder to shut them down than to keep
them up.
You seem clueless about this web stuff.

I know more than enough about servers to know you don't have a clue
about what NOAA servers are offline due to shutdown.
Like I said, you'll need proof from NOAA IT, not your casual link
browsing.
When NOAA is fully operational again, I expect to find that info on NOAA
web servers.
When I do, I'll either apologize about being "clueless," or rub it in
your face real good.
So until then you may as well shut up about it, because as I said
before, you're the last person I'll listen to on this.
For Christ's sake, you're a teabagger!

On 10/2/2013 2:51 PM, Boating All Out wrote:


I'm kinda fond of both results, because each has its end purpose.
The ACA vastly improves health care options for the uninsured.

You do understand that this is not health care, it's health insurance
only and most projections say the "care" won't be there.....

iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 13:17:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




The lack of preparation was obvious. No ties or not enough ties holding
roofs to frames, CMU walls without enough tied together steel, not
enough ties holding frames to foundations, no storm shutters on windows,
huge glass areas on houses, not enough ties on tilt-up buildings, et
cetera.

That is not "preparation" it was the corrupt Dade county building
department that was doing "drive by" inspections or simply selling
approvals. Dade county set the standards that became the coastal
building code, they just did not enforce them,. It was not true in
other parts of the state. I have a poured tie beam with two #5s in it
and truss straps bigger than current code. My house was built in 1963.

Yup, codes are okay, it's the people who's job it is to make sure those
code requirements are met. The Achilles heal in the infrastructure is
shoddy residential building and as you say, corrupt officials and lazy
inspectors. It's different in commercial and industrial construction
where the architects and engineers get sued left and right for design
that doesn't meet the current building codes and there is a problem or
event.

Why is commercial different? If the engineers and architects do their job,
and the builder shortcuts and the inspector passes that crap, you still
have a ****ty built building!

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:26:38 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...


I am on the NOAA site several times a week but I use direct links and
they are still working. It is harder to shut them down than to keep
them up.
You seem clueless about this web stuff.

I know more than enough about servers to know you don't have a clue
about what NOAA servers are offline due to shutdown.
Like I said, you'll need proof from NOAA IT, not your casual link
browsing.
When NOAA is fully operational again, I expect to find that info on NOAA
web servers.
When I do, I'll either apologize about being "clueless," or rub it in
your face real good.
So until then you may as well shut up about it, because as I said
before, you're the last person I'll listen to on this.
For Christ's sake, you're a teabagger!


You failed to point out the name calling.
--

John H.

Hope you're having a great day!

On 10/2/2013 5:26 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


I am on the NOAA site several times a week but I use direct links and
they are still working. It is harder to shut them down than to keep
them up.
You seem clueless about this web stuff.

I know more than enough about servers to know you don't have a clue
about what NOAA servers are offline due to shutdown.

It's not that complicated... Running these servers doesn't take much,
shutting parts down without loosing the whole system and leaving the
remaining parts functional is probably pretty much impossible ad just
would make no sense when all they have to do is put up one redirect page
and morons like you will think the world is coming to an end...

For Christ's sake, you're a teabagger!

And you are a typical progressive who only cares about himself and gets
his jollies calling others names on the net. Seems to be an across the
board for progressives, maybe it's a genetic defect?

In article ,
says...


You failed to point out the name calling.

Here you go John.
They managed to convince BAO that the whole server was down, to the
extent that he was making excuses for them, so it worked on dumb
people.

He called me dumb. Maybe you missed it. I'm BAO.
No biggie. I'm a bit better at name calling, I think.
Just thought you might be interested. Greg usually avoids that.
Pretty sure it made me mad, because I missed something.
Greg seems to think NOAA has a "whole server."
NOAA, whole server? NOAA has dozens, if not scores of servers.
Anyway, that can wait.
So there it is, the name calling.
I know you frown upon that.
I was just kidding about you hammering his ass.
I don't need any help.
But if I need you, I can call on you, right?
Knowing that would surely ease me some.
Greg might call me a real nasty name soon.
Happens with teabaggers. Have to lose control of yourself when you
convert to one. Just part of the deal.
In the meantime, you can take care of Krause and Loogy.
Thems some real bad name-callers there, real bad.
Let me know if you need some help.
I'll be there next to you.
Then I'll decide whose side to take.
That's not always clear around here.

On 10/2/2013 7:48 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


You failed to point out the name calling.

Here you go John.
They managed to convince BAO that the whole server was down, to the
extent that he was making excuses for them, so it worked on dumb
people.

He called me dumb. Maybe you missed it. I'm BAO.
No biggie. I'm a bit better at name calling, I think.
Just thought you might be interested. Greg usually avoids that.
Pretty sure it made me mad, because I missed something.
Greg seems to think NOAA has a "whole server."
NOAA, whole server? NOAA has dozens, if not scores of servers.
Anyway, that can wait.
So there it is, the name calling.
I know you frown upon that.
I was just kidding about you hammering his ass.
I don't need any help.
But if I need you, I can call on you, right?
Knowing that would surely ease me some.
Greg might call me a real nasty name soon.
Happens with teabaggers. Have to lose control of yourself when you
convert to one. Just part of the deal.
In the meantime, you can take care of Krause and Loogy.
Thems some real bad name-callers there, real bad.
Let me know if you need some help.
I'll be there next to you.
Then I'll decide whose side to take.
That's not always clear around here.


No matter how nasty you get, I doubt you are going to get Greg to act
like you. He's not a progressive, he probably actually wants to talk
about the subject matter, not hide behind pretentious, and nasty
banter.... suitable for MTV at best..