"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 07:29:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" nowayalso.jose.com
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, September 13, 2013 8:20:09 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Some, like S&W have been at full capacity for the past 5 years,
indicating a strong demand for their products. Additionally, new
applications for permits have been at record levels. Despite
this,
gun related homicides nationally are declining.

Which would seem to disprove the title of this thread, and the
supposed statistical link claimed by the study.

Some dimwits aren't smart enough to realize that these two ideas are
not at odds with one another. You can have both a declining homocide
rate and a higher rate of homicide in regions with higher gun
ownership.

Some people have the academic credentials and investment into the
subject matter to make claims and some people do not.

Why don't you dimwits leave the thinking to those with brains enough
to do so.

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Let's see. The title of your post was, "Higher gun ownership equals
higher rate of homicide".

This dimwit is simply saying that at a national level:

a. Gun manufacturing has been up for the past 5 years (indicating
strong demand).
b. Permit applications have been at record levels (both new
applications and renewals).
c. Nationally, gun related gun homicides have been declining.

I'll leave it to you academic geniuses to study and determine the
correlation.


The percentage of population owning guns is going down. Has been for
decades. If your assumptions are right, then more guns are being
purchased by those who aleady own guns, so the NRA and Fox News are
doing their jobs well.

Areas in which gun ownership is higher experience more gun related
deaths. That's the conclusion of the study.

Can you separate those thoughts long enough for them to each make
sense?

If you can run a slide rule, you can surely figure this out.

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First, there's no need for your snarky comments.

Other than telephone surveys, there's no possible way to determine if
gun ownership is going up or down because there's no national registry
of who owns what. You have to believe that if a stranger calls you
up and asks if you have a gun, that everyone will answer honestly. My
answer would be, "None of your business".

Manufacturing production numbers (yes, and even the resultant company
stock prices) represent a real indicator of guns being sold.
Agreed, many are split between current owners and new owners but
again, those numbers aren't readily available. However, add in the
record number of permit applications, again split between new
applicants and renewals, a logical conclusion is that gun ownership
is going up, despite what random, limited and likely biased surveys
say. If ownership was declining, so would both new permit and renewal
applications. That has not been the case. Where required, the
permit issuing agencies have been swamped. In MA, a new permit
application typically took 6 weeks to process years ago. They are now
taking as much as 6 months due to the backlog.