On 9/4/2013 11:16 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/4/2013 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:16:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 9/3/2013 5:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:33:28 -0400, John H
wrote:

Our cabinet doors were opened, crap all over the floor, and shelves
broken.
What a mess.

===

Been there, done that, but we were in 8 to 10 foot waves at the time.
All of our galley cabinets have heavy duty latches now.


I wonder what the speed limit was in that area, and how fast John was
going... I mean, if the roads were under construction, the speed limit
could have been down around 40-45 in the city loop. Seems you might be
moving a bit faster than that to do that kind of damage, and there is no
way I am going to believe a "five inch" dropoff, all the way across the
road...


I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one
of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for
him.



Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside
Boston that would be addressed somehow...

They won't address pothole issues unless a car has been reported missing
in one.

On 9/4/2013 11:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 9/4/13 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:20:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 9:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


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Well, some things on the train tracks have changed. Railroad "ties"
are
typically concrete now and the rail butts are welded and smooth. Ever
notice that the "clackity-clack" sound of a train travelling down the
track has disappeared?


Depends on where you are. The trackage from here to NYC and beyond is
pretty decent, and so is the trackage out to Chicago. I've not been
further west than Chicago on a train.

The trackage is absolutely miserable between here and Florida. I mean,
TERRIBLE. The rails are as crooked and bumpy as you can get and in some
places, you have to wonder why the rail car just doesn't hop off the
rails. CSX owns the rails and whatever the minimum is for upkeep, it
obviously spends less.

CSX spends what it needs to for freight trains. Amtrak is just
freeloading on their track.,


Amtrak pays a train mile fee for using CSX tracks. A relative who was a
CSX exec told me what it was once, but that was years ago. In the
aggregate, the total Amtrak pays out for train mile fees around the
country is several hundred million dollars.

Freeloading...what an interesting term. I suppose when you rent a car
from Hertz, you are freeloading.

When you don't pay your taxes, you are freeloading.

On 9/4/13 12:16 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:09:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:15:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


Let's not forget the depreciation allowances airlines get for buying
equipment. These are subsidies.

What business doesn't get depreciation allowances?

You didn't answer but I bet you took an accelerated depreciation
allowance on your new printer. If you didn't, fire your accountant.

You folks are really stretching to find these mythical subsidies but
the fact is the passenger is paying more than the government gives
them back.
That is far from true in rail where the ticket price doesn't even
cover the cost of running the train.


There's nothing mythical about depreciation allowances, and they are
subsidies.

Period.

Every business in the US gets them too (even your little hobby). That
is not the same as a direct cash infusion like we give passenger rail.


A subsidy by any other name would not smell as sweet, eh?

On 9/4/13 12:21 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:13:02 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Whoooosh...... I'll try again. In cities, where interstates were
extended, added, spurs, etc. were placed long after the original
interstate system was in place. A lot of these add ons were aligned to
take advantage of in-place roadways including bridges, tunnels etc.
These in-place infrastructures were not intended to carry the traffic
that interstate travel imposes.

Ah, the story changes. Not shocking from you.

Nope, that's what I've said all along.



That just demonstrates the corruption in some northern cities

Most places build new roads and bridges when they get the DoT money to
do it. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that there are places that
simply change the signs on a tired old road and spend the money on
their upside down public transit system.



Wait, wait, you have Scott the Felon as governor and you are talking
about corruption in other states? What a laugh.

On 9/4/13 12:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:27:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 11:20 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:20:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 9/4/13 9:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


------------------------------

Well, some things on the train tracks have changed. Railroad "ties" are
typically concrete now and the rail butts are welded and smooth. Ever
notice that the "clackity-clack" sound of a train travelling down the
track has disappeared?


Depends on where you are. The trackage from here to NYC and beyond is
pretty decent, and so is the trackage out to Chicago. I've not been
further west than Chicago on a train.

The trackage is absolutely miserable between here and Florida. I mean,
TERRIBLE. The rails are as crooked and bumpy as you can get and in some
places, you have to wonder why the rail car just doesn't hop off the
rails. CSX owns the rails and whatever the minimum is for upkeep, it
obviously spends less.

CSX spends what it needs to for freight trains. Amtrak is just
freeloading on their track.,


Amtrak pays a train mile fee for using CSX tracks. A relative who was a
CSX exec told me what it was once, but that was years ago. In the
aggregate, the total Amtrak pays out for train mile fees around the
country is several hundred million dollars.

Freeloading...what an interesting term. I suppose when you rent a car
from Hertz, you are freeloading.

Avis makes a profit from my rental.
CSX is not even covering their costs from Amtrak and that is actually
tax money from people who never ride a train.


Costs? What costs? Certainly not additional wear and tear, since a short
passenger train weighs only a fraction of what a freight train ways, and
there are only a couple of passenger trains a day between here and
Florida. CSX's approach to track repair seems to be to repair it when a
freight train derails.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:44:30 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

They don't say or don't know that all of that is actually funded by
airline ticket taxes.
I didn't even know it until I actually looked it up.

I paid 157.50 in taxes on one round trip ticket to Oregon

And that's not a subsidy, eh?

Not at all that is a user fee that goes directly to the service I am
paying for.
I flew on a plane, I got services from the government and I paid for
them RIGHT THEN.
Just like buying a big mac from McDonalds. I give them ~$4, they give
me a sandwich.

Definition of SUBSIDY
a grant or gift of money:

The rail roads get tax money from people who have never even been on a
train., That is a subsidy.

Please look at table E-1.....

http://www.laane.org/downloads/ShortchangedStudy.pdf

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:47:01 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

The 3.3 million was from your cite. You really need to read these
things when you cite them

The cite is gave showed you that 17.3 percent of any population can't
swing a vote?

Not by a 2:1 margin

It wasn't even close

Really? Are you that bad at math that you can't figure out a scenario
where that could happen??

On 9/4/2013 12:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Costs? What costs? Certainly not additional wear and tear, since a short
passenger train weighs only a fraction of what a freight train ways, and
there are only a couple of passenger trains a day between here and
Florida. CSX's approach to track repair seems to be to repair it when a
freight train derails.

"What a freight train ways." Really? Expected from Donnie, but you, Mr
English. Tsk tsk.

On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one
of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for
him.



Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside
Boston that would be addressed somehow...

They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after
several serious accidents and stories on TV about it.



Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my
Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would
maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with
almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the
front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in
half up near the neck...

On 9/4/13 2:08 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 9/4/2013 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 11:16:05 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

I have seen it on the beltway. In fact a guy I know wiped out on one
of these "buckles" on a Sportster and I ended up fixing the bike for
him.



Not trying to indict John... just wondering about 5", seems even outside
Boston that would be addressed somehow...

They closed the beltway a lane at a time and addressed it after
several serious accidents and stories on TV about it.



Surprised more people didn't die.. I know if I hit a 5 inch edge with my
Jeep, at anything over say, 30 miles an hour, there is no way I would
maintain control... Knowing what I know about cars, I can say with
almost certainty that that five inch "curb" at speed would collapse the
front end of my jeep... I imagine the bike you fixed must have busted in
half up near the neck...


I suspect the boys here who are talking about 5" curbs across an entire
highway are the same boys who tried to convince their wives that 2" was 5".