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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun based on that feature alone. I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target. -------------------------------- It just dawned on me what you were saying here. I am used to the term " to illuminate" with regard to a laser to be target designation, not "to illuminate" in the sense of putting light on something so it can be seen, such as with a flashlight. Obviously the laser installed on handguns don't light something up so you can see it. They just put a spot on where you are aiming. Illuminate to me means light up - as in United Illuminating Company of Connecticut :) |
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On 8/26/2013 8:45 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun based on that feature alone. I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target. -------------------------------- I don't practice shooting using human targets. What are you going to do when the intruder enters your house in the middle of the night, ask him to put a bullseye on his chest? ------------------------- What does that have to do with having a laser on a handgun or not? My point is that you should practice to hit what you are aiming at without one, and preferably without even sighting. Training should be as realistic as possible. Dick has it right... Practicing at close range, "from the hip" as it were. We used to practice, aiming by feel, not by eye. Prone, sitting... from the side... |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 8/26/2013 8:45 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun based on that feature alone. I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target. -------------------------------- I don't practice shooting using human targets. What are you going to do when the intruder enters your house in the middle of the night, ask him to put a bullseye on his chest? ------------------------- What does that have to do with having a laser on a handgun or not? My point is that you should practice to hit what you are aiming at without one, and preferably without even sighting. Training should be as realistic as possible. Dick has it right... Practicing at close range, "from the hip" as it were. We used to practice, aiming by feel, not by eye. Prone, sitting... from the side... ---------------------- Military laser target designation systems are totally different. They are closed loop with an optical detector providing control of where the round goes. One person or system "illuminates" the target with a laser. A detector receives the reflected laser spot and controls the weapon and round to be fired. As long as the target remains illuminated with the laser, the round doesn't miss. |
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On 8/26/2013 9:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 8/26/2013 8:45 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun based on that feature alone. I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target. -------------------------------- I don't practice shooting using human targets. What are you going to do when the intruder enters your house in the middle of the night, ask him to put a bullseye on his chest? ------------------------- What does that have to do with having a laser on a handgun or not? My point is that you should practice to hit what you are aiming at without one, and preferably without even sighting. Training should be as realistic as possible. Dick has it right... Practicing at close range, "from the hip" as it were. We used to practice, aiming by feel, not by eye. Prone, sitting... from the side... ---------------------- Military laser target designation systems are totally different. They are closed loop with an optical detector providing control of where the round goes. One person or system "illuminates" the target with a laser. A detector receives the reflected laser spot and controls the weapon and round to be fired. As long as the target remains illuminated with the laser, the round doesn't miss. What kind of weapon system are you talking about here? Something hand held??? |
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On Monday, August 26, 2013 5:51:05 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
I don't practice shooting using human targets. Well, then, why would you want a laser sight? They're not much good for target shooting. ---------------------------------------- If you re-read the thread you will find that I have stated that I think the lasers are worthless and wouldn't pay anything extra or seek out a particular gun only because it has one. The two handguns that I own that have them came standard with them. I don't use them. For reasons already stated in another post, I don't think they are of much value in a home defense, intruder situation either. I'd rather practice shooting at close range without sighting, using the handgun I'd reach for in the event of a home intruder. At 10-15 feet or so, I've become fairly proficient at hitting a small (8-inch) target, some near the bull's eye, with the 38 Chief's Special revolver, without sighting. Exactly right, Rick. I've always thought using laser sights was a waste and actually can be harmful especially in a smoky or light fog situation. My son was thinking about getting a laser sight for his Taurus 9mm. and I advised him that if push came to shove it could actually be dangerous for him. and I used the Classic CZ "Duty" video commercial for reference. Here's a copy of the letter i wrote to him.... "OK, so you can see the Hollywood 'action' in this CZ pistol video. Now, looking at the bigger picture, you can see why these ninny's wouldn't last one minute against armed (usually para-military) terrorists etc, before they were taken out. Noise, racket, flashlights, yelling, laser sighting, stalling and dropping to their knees (slowly) before taking a shot. BTW, it also looks like the one guy gets up while his partner is still shooting- a good way to take one in the back." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDlSKrep0I |
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On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on... You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike from the kitchen? And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage... |
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"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message ... On 8/26/2013 8:45 PM, BAR wrote: In article , says... "BAR" wrote in message . .. In article , says... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun based on that feature alone. I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target. -------------------------------- I don't practice shooting using human targets. What are you going to do when the intruder enters your house in the middle of the night, ask him to put a bullseye on his chest? ------------------------- What does that have to do with having a laser on a handgun or not? My point is that you should practice to hit what you are aiming at without one, and preferably without even sighting. Training should be as realistic as possible. Dick has it right... Practicing at close range, "from the hip" as it were. We used to practice, aiming by feel, not by eye. Prone, sitting... from the side... ---------------------- Military laser target designation systems are totally different. They are closed loop with an optical detector providing control of where the round goes. One person or system "illuminates" the target with a laser. A detector receives the reflected laser spot and controls the weapon and round to be fired. As long as the target remains illuminated with the laser, the round doesn't miss. When the police train, they use bad guys targets. The the elite military forces train shooting at bad guy targets and life-like dummies. When you train to for home defense you should be shooting at bad guy targes and not bulls- eyes. I could care less about the laser on your weapon. |
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On 8/26/2013 10:16 PM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, August 26, 2013 6:25:06 PM UTC-5, F. O. A. D. wrote: On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on... You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike from the kitchen? And why not? Some one stole one of their bikes right out of his garage... Well, not quite, they cut the locks and took it from a trailer in the driveway... but either way I am not an animal like harry, doubt I would kill someone over a motorbike... |
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