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Mr. Luddite August 27th 13 12:03 AM

Do I need this?
 


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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Well, have a couple other ideas provided by a fiend but they are all
"what if's"... soooooo... I will say, one of them involves yelling
down
the stairs (custom designed for my home at the time) " We are armed,
the
police are on the way, if you come up the stairs we will shoot you!"

Our insurance agent taught a course in "use of deadly force for
homeowners", and we were considering firearms at the time...

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Hopefully that would work for you, just like in the movies.

I worry more about the meth/crack addict that wakes you as he enters
your bedroom. These are unstable people who think they are invincible
and don't respond to fear or threats. Or the professional burglar
that panics when you confront him. How they got by the barking dogs
and house alarm doesn't matter then.

Those are the only reasons I keep a loaded handgun in our bedroom that
I can get to very quickly. I am not paranoid. Just prepared. By
day, it goes back in the safe.





Hank©[_3_] August 27th 13 12:13 AM

Do I need this?
 
On 8/26/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:25:28 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:59:27 -0400, John H
wrote:

Beautiful gun. Nice price.

http://tinyurl.com/ls8jvo5

John (Gun Nut) H.

That is a lot of gun to carry.
Kimber does make a nice mini 9mm that my neighbor has. It is $1500 or
so.

I'll check it out. Yup, that may be worth looking into. Thanks for the tip.

http://tinyurl.com/l45sjgb


John (Gun Nut) H.


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.


Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

I should think it would help demonstrate why there might be inconsistant
shot patterns.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute August 27th 13 12:21 AM

Do I need this?
 
On 8/26/2013 7:03 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...


Well, have a couple other ideas provided by a fiend but they are all
"what if's"... soooooo... I will say, one of them involves yelling down
the stairs (custom designed for my home at the time) " We are armed, the
police are on the way, if you come up the stairs we will shoot you!"

Our insurance agent taught a course in "use of deadly force for
homeowners", and we were considering firearms at the time...

----------------------------------

Hopefully that would work for you, just like in the movies.

I worry more about the meth/crack addict that wakes you as he enters
your bedroom. These are unstable people who think they are invincible
and don't respond to fear or threats. Or the professional burglar that
panics when you confront him. How they got by the barking dogs and
house alarm doesn't matter then.

Those are the only reasons I keep a loaded handgun in our bedroom that I
can get to very quickly. I am not paranoid. Just prepared. By day,
it goes back in the safe.





Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without
a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let
them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there
when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...




F.O.A.D. August 27th 13 12:25 AM

Do I need this?
 
On 8/26/13 7:21 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


Well, I agree 100%.. someone shows up in the door, I will attack without
a second thought. If I hear them coming through a window, I might let
them know I am coming armed and start swinging if they are still there
when I get there... Either way, if I see them, it's on...



You think someone will break into your place to steal your motorbike
from the kitchen?

Mr. Luddite August 27th 13 12:28 AM

Do I need this?
 


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 8/26/13 6:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 8/26/13 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard
with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean
by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at
your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

--------------------------------

I don't practice shooting using human targets.



Well, then, why would you want a laser sight? They're not much good
for
target shooting.

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If you re-read the thread you will find that I have stated that I
think
the lasers are worthless and wouldn't pay anything extra or seek out
a
particular gun only because it has one. The two handguns that I
own
that have them came standard with them. I don't use them.

For reasons already stated in another post, I don't think they are
of
much value in a home defense, intruder situation either.
I'd rather practice shooting at close range without sighting, using
the
handgun I'd reach for in the event of a home intruder.
At 10-15 feet or so, I've become fairly proficient at hitting a
small
(8-inch) target, some near the bull's eye, with the 38 Chief's
Special
revolver, without sighting.





Agreed. But I see some use for a pistol mounted flashlight, just to
make
sure you recognize that your target is not a family member.

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Yeah. I've made it clear to our kids that if they have to visit the
house late at night for some reason, to holler out until they get a
response before coming in.

The dogs will make a racket anyway. I am a fairly light sleeper and
they often wake me up in the middle of the night when a deer or
something goes walking across the driveway.



Hank©[_3_] August 27th 13 12:31 AM

Do I need this?
 
On 8/26/2013 5:46 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.



Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one
in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally
turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers installed
in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot indoors at a
somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to illuminate the
target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor range and the
lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the S&W Bodyguard
both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards. In fact, I
can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with an
intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not going
to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle that
I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it. It's a
stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a scope on
the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I used it to
adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

On a handgun, if you are shooting targets, a nice red dot sight like
this one...

http://tinyurl.com/nl8dkut

....from Burris is pretty good.

With the right red dot sight, a good shooter with steady hands can place
his rounds precisely. The red dot is "projected" within the sight, not
onto the target. A good target pistol will easily accommodate a rail on
which you can mount a red dot sight.


You obviously have reading difficulties. The red spot indicates where
the bullet is going. No one said otherwise.

Hank©[_3_] August 27th 13 12:36 AM

Do I need this?
 
On 8/26/2013 6:39 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 8/26/13 6:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

--------------------------------

I don't practice shooting using human targets.



Well, then, why would you want a laser sight? They're not much good for
target shooting.


Why not?

BAR[_2_] August 27th 13 01:11 AM

Do I need this?
 
In article , says...

wrote in message ...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:53:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard
with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun based on that feature alone.


Try a green laser

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I still don't get what the point is. As Harry pointed out the laser
is to help determine where the gun is pointed without using the
sights.
This would most likely be in a close range, self defense requirement
where you need to get some rounds off fast and you fire more from the
"ready" without sighting. In that type of situation, who's going to
spend the extra time fumbling for the laser button to turn in on.
Worse yet, only to find your battery is dead. So are you.

A bunch of us went to the range today and practiced shooting without
sighting with targets set up only about 10 feet away.
I think it's important to do this with your primary home defense gun
of choice, because after a while you know instinctively where to hold
and point it, even if you are firing from waist level. Each gun is
different, obviously, so I only use my 38 Chief's Special for this.
It's the gun I'd reach for in the event of a home intruder at night
with ill-will.


My primary home defense weapon is an Rem 870.

BAR[_2_] August 27th 13 01:16 AM

Do I need this?
 
In article , says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard
with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

--------------------------------

I don't practice shooting using human targets.


What are you going to do when the intruder enters your house in the middle of the night, ask
him to put a bullseye on his chest?

Mr. Luddite August 27th 13 01:34 AM

Do I need this?
 



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:



I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard
with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean
by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at
your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

--------------------------------


It just dawned on me what you were saying here. I am used to the
term " to illuminate" with regard to a laser to be target designation,
not "to illuminate" in the sense of putting light on something so it
can be seen, such as with a flashlight.

Obviously the laser installed on handguns don't light something up so
you can see it. They just put a spot on where you are aiming.



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