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iBoaterer[_3_] August 25th 13 04:09 PM

Do I need this?
 
In article ,
says...

On 8/25/2013 9:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:11:34 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/24/13 12:03 PM,
wrote:

The military (non licensed) practitioners are very limited in what
they are allowed to do on US soil so you can't blame them. The flaws
in the US based military centers can be placed on licensed
professionals or the politicians, your choice.
VA facilities are all ruled by civilian law and practice. I was the
inspector on the VA hospital in Port Charlotte and it was a STATE
project. (or I would not have been there)



Sorry, I don't believe that the reason returning vets with serious
physical and emotional problems are not treated properly by veterans
hospitals is because of "civilian law and practice."

Oh, and "non-licensed" medical practitioners should be severely limited
as to what they are allowed to do on U.S. soil in medical or related
fields.

You really are a fan of the home hobbyist approach. If you ever need a
stent, I hope you find the right non-licensed, non-doctor Army/Navy/Air
Force tech to perform the surgery for you.


We are not talking about a stent or open heart surgery here. If I just
need a few stitches or some other kind of emergency care I would be
perfectly happy with a guy who was patching up marines, injured in
combat as I would some guy who went to a Guatemala medical school and
got licensed here.


When I was a youth, living outside of Ft Belvior in Northern Virginia, we would go to DeWitt
Army Hospital and if you needed stiches you had your pick of a half dozen Medic's, Army guys,
to stitch you up. They were eager to actually stitch up real live flesh.


On a slightly different note.. Before I was born the neighbor kid broke
his arm in our back yard on a rock that is not listed on our insurance
as a "attractive nusence (sp?)". His parents weren't home so my dad
loaded him up, took him off to emergency, paid 15 dollars and had a cast
put on the kid, delivered him to his parents when they came home from
work...... no lawyers, no problem.... Try that now:)


Horse****.

[email protected] August 25th 13 09:43 PM

Do I need this?
 
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 11:09:32 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:


Horse****.


Yes, you are.....,

John H[_2_] August 25th 13 10:45 PM

Do I need this?
 
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 15:43:01 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:59:27 PM UTC-5, John H wrote:
Beautiful gun. Nice price.



http://tinyurl.com/ls8jvo5



John (Gun Nut) H.

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Hope you're having a great day!


For that price?

YES!


That 'was' a pretty good price. Now the ad says 'Price on Request'. We've been camping the past few
days and didn't get the order in.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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John H[_2_] August 25th 13 10:51 PM

Do I need this?
 
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:25:28 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:59:27 -0400, John H
wrote:

Beautiful gun. Nice price.

http://tinyurl.com/ls8jvo5

John (Gun Nut) H.


That is a lot of gun to carry.
Kimber does make a nice mini 9mm that my neighbor has. It is $1500 or
so.


I'll check it out. Yup, that may be worth looking into. Thanks for the tip.

http://tinyurl.com/l45sjgb


John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

John H[_2_] August 25th 13 10:51 PM

Do I need this?
 
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:47:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

Beautiful gun. Nice price.

http://tinyurl.com/ls8jvo5

John (Gun Nut) H.


My birthday is next week!


Happy B-day!!!

John (Gun Nut) H.
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John H[_2_] August 26th 13 07:23 PM

Do I need this?
 
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:10 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 19:25:28 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:59:27 -0400, John H
wrote:

Beautiful gun. Nice price.

http://tinyurl.com/ls8jvo5

John (Gun Nut) H.

That is a lot of gun to carry.
Kimber does make a nice mini 9mm that my neighbor has. It is $1500 or
so.


I'll check it out. Yup, that may be worth looking into. Thanks for the tip.

http://tinyurl.com/l45sjgb


John (Gun Nut) H.


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.


Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Mr. Luddite August 26th 13 09:53 PM

Do I need this?
 


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.



Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only
one in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon
finally turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers
installed in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot
indoors at a somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to
illuminate the target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor
range and the lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the
S&W Bodyguard both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards.
In fact, I can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with
an intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not
going to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle
that I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it.
It's a stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a
scope on the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I
used it to adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun based on that feature alone.



John H[_2_] August 26th 13 10:32 PM

Do I need this?
 
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 16:53:19 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.



Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only
one in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon
finally turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers
installed in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot
indoors at a somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to
illuminate the target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor
range and the lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the
S&W Bodyguard both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards.
In fact, I can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with
an intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not
going to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle
that I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it.
It's a stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a
scope on the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I
used it to adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped
handgun based on that feature alone.


Greg may have a point in using the laser to help with the 'yips'. One could dry fire at the TV and
try to keep the laser steady. I'd be hesitant to use it at the range until I could control it well
enough to keep folks from laughing at all the jiggling.

John (Gun Nut) H.
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Hope you're having a great day!

F.O.A.D. August 26th 13 10:46 PM

Do I need this?
 
On 8/26/13 4:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:54:49 -0400, wrote:


That looks like the one and he has the laser in the grip.



Does he like it? Does he find he laser site helpful? I've seen only one
in use at a range, and it
magnified the 'shaking' so much the individual aiming the weapon finally
turned it off. I think he
was just embarrassed.

John (Gun Nut) H.

-----------------------------------

Based on the limited experience I've had, I think the lasers installed
in handguns are a total waste of time. Unless you shoot indoors at a
somewhat darkened range, they aren't strong enough to illuminate the
target. I do most of my range shooting at an outdoor range and the
lasers are totally worthless. The Walther PPK and the S&W Bodyguard
both have lasers. Can't see them outdoors at 25 yards. In fact, I
can't see them even at 10 yards outside in sunlight.

They work ok in the house but unless there's an intruder, what's the
point? And if there was ever a life threatening confrontation with an
intruder, it's going to be a relatively close range and I am not going
to worry about taking the time to turn the stupid laser on.

The only firearm I have that has a laser strong enough to see outdoors
at a reasonable range is the one installed in the Ruger 10/22 rifle that
I recently purchased. But, I still don't bother using it. It's a
stronger laser but the battery life is limited. I mounted a scope on
the rifle and, after boresighting and adjusting the laser, I used it to
adjust and calibrate the scope. Haven't used it since.

I wouldn't pay anything extra for a laser. If it comes standard with
the gun, fine, but I wouldn't go searching for a laser equipped handgun
based on that feature alone.


I'm sorry, but I find most of this entire discussion hilarious. Red
point lasers are not intended to *illuminate* a target, if you mean by
that lighting it up. They are to tell you if you are pointing at your
human target, and not to the left or right of or above your target.

On a handgun, if you are shooting targets, a nice red dot sight like
this one...

http://tinyurl.com/nl8dkut

....from Burris is pretty good.

With the right red dot sight, a good shooter with steady hands can place
his rounds precisely. The red dot is "projected" within the sight, not
onto the target. A good target pistol will easily accommodate a rail on
which you can mount a red dot sight.



Mr. Luddite August 26th 13 11:07 PM

Do I need this?
 


"John H" wrote in message
...


Greg may have a point in using the laser to help with the 'yips'. One
could dry fire at the TV and
try to keep the laser steady. I'd be hesitant to use it at the range
until I could control it well
enough to keep folks from laughing at all the jiggling.

John (Gun Nut) H.

--------------------------

Don't worry about the laughter. Unless you are indoors, they won't be
able to see it either.

I learned to reduce the jitters by simply relaxing a bit, and also not
locking my elbows and arms.
It's like when I first tried golf. I was gripping the club so hard
my fingers where turning white.
A friend who was an experienced (and very good) golfer noticed and
worked with me to relax my grip.
He had me walking down the fairway shaking my hands like they were wet
and I was trying to air dry them.

At the next tee, I tried my new, improved "relaxed grip" and tossed
the club about 25 yards down the fairway.
Re-adjusted a bit back to a slightly stronger grip and my golf game
improved dramatically.




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