On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 7:16:20 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:

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On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:35:53 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:


Some whites blindly support Zimmerman because he's white.


Zimm is not white.


Looks like you just got off the boat.

Maybe that's your problem. You've been drinking the kool-aide for too long.

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On 7/3/13 6:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world
'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who
has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who
shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman
has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to
leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

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May be the case. But to be accurate, the "record of violence" you
reference has been determined to be rather minor in nature as it
relates
to his prior arrest. Basically, he was drinking along with a friend
and
acted like an idiot, same as most drunks do. The initial charge of
"resisting an officer with violence" was reduced to "resisting an
officer without violence" and then dismissed when he agreed to
enter an
alcohol abuse program.

As to the domestic violence accusation ... there was never a charge.
An
ex-girlfriend filed for a restraining order. Zimmerman filed a
counter
restraining order. Both were granted. That was the end of that. A
"domestic violence" charge was never pursued by either.

If Zimmerman's past is important then so is Martin's. There are
several examples of alleged actions and behavior that diminish the
portrayal of him being a upright, law abiding model citizen. The
only
one that has been officially acknowledged by records and his family
is
the school suspensions. In fact, he was under a suspension when
this
whole affair occurred.



I'm sorry...when was Martin arrested or served with a restraining
order?

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I'm sorry...where exactly did I say he was?

On 7/3/13 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 7/3/13 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

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Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.


It is unfortunate that so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws allow a
gun-toter to stalk an unarmed person, confront that person, precipitate
an argument, and then shoot and kill that person.

That is precisely what Zimmerman did, eh.


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The "Stand Your Ground" laws in this country specifically forbid any
action as you have described. What actually happened in the Zimmerman
case will be determined by a jury after giving consideration to all the
evidence presented in the trial.


I have little confidence in southern, white juries deliberating on
whether a white man killed a black man, but we shall see.

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On 7/3/13 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 7/3/13 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't
matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that
resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place
in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the
jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

-------------------------------------

Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law
that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's
one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.


It is unfortunate that so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws allow a
gun-toter to stalk an unarmed person, confront that person,
precipitate
an argument, and then shoot and kill that person.

That is precisely what Zimmerman did, eh.


-------------------------------------------

The "Stand Your Ground" laws in this country specifically forbid any
action as you have described. What actually happened in the
Zimmerman
case will be determined by a jury after giving consideration to all
the
evidence presented in the trial.


I have little confidence in southern, white juries deliberating on
whether a white man killed a black man, but we shall see.

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There's no argument as to whether Zimmerman killed Martin. Zimmerman
admits that.
The question is was he justified in doing so.

But, I understand your point even though I don't agree with your all
inclusive, predetermined views on the subject.

On 7/3/2013 6:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3:03:57 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message

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In article ,

says...







Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet. I am

fascinated with the trial. What I am noticing big time is the

presumption of guilt by some of the liberal media and their possible

attempts to keep information that may conflict with their attitudes

away from viewers. I confess, I haven't watched Fox News to see

what

their slant is, if any. Maybe I'll do that for a while and see if

their coverage is equally biased the other way.



There's also a lot of presumption of innocent by the conservatives,

too.



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You are *supposed* to be presumed innocent until found guilty beyond a

reasonable doubt.

But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'. No need for a trial.

Harry is now thinking Zimm is not quite so guilty. Whichever way the
verdict goes, it will be rendered by bat**** crazy, white, racist,
Florida gun nuts. These folks are unpredictable. Remember Casey Anthony?

On 7/3/13 7:22 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 7/3/13 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 7/3/13 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

-------------------------------------

Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.


It is unfortunate that so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws allow a
gun-toter to stalk an unarmed person, confront that person, precipitate
an argument, and then shoot and kill that person.

That is precisely what Zimmerman did, eh.


-------------------------------------------

The "Stand Your Ground" laws in this country specifically forbid any
action as you have described. What actually happened in the Zimmerman
case will be determined by a jury after giving consideration to all the
evidence presented in the trial.


I have little confidence in southern, white juries deliberating on
whether a white man killed a black man, but we shall see.

---------------------------------------

There's no argument as to whether Zimmerman killed Martin. Zimmerman
admits that.
The question is was he justified in doing so.

But, I understand your point even though I don't agree with your all
inclusive, predetermined views on the subject.



I have no requirement that you agree with my preconceived notions!
You're a better than reasonable guy, even when you are completely wrong
(from my point of view).

On 7/3/2013 6:18 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I
don't see the Martin kid's family getting justice for the SHOOTING of
their son.

Justice for them is what Harry? An eye for an eye?

On 7/3/2013 6:21 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

So what if Trey grabbed Zimm's gun and killed Zimm like he promised to
do? How would you call that scenario?

On 7/3/2013 6:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/3/13 6:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

--------------------------------------------

May be the case. But to be accurate, the "record of violence" you
reference has been determined to be rather minor in nature as it relates
to his prior arrest. Basically, he was drinking along with a friend and
acted like an idiot, same as most drunks do. The initial charge of
"resisting an officer with violence" was reduced to "resisting an
officer without violence" and then dismissed when he agreed to enter an
alcohol abuse program.

As to the domestic violence accusation ... there was never a charge. An
ex-girlfriend filed for a restraining order. Zimmerman filed a counter
restraining order. Both were granted. That was the end of that. A
"domestic violence" charge was never pursued by either.

If Zimmerman's past is important then so is Martin's. There are
several examples of alleged actions and behavior that diminish the
portrayal of him being a upright, law abiding model citizen. The only
one that has been officially acknowledged by records and his family is
the school suspensions. In fact, he was under a suspension when this
whole affair occurred.



I'm sorry...when was Martin arrested or served with a restraining order?

When was Zimm suspended from school on several occasions for drug
possession among other things. Introducing Trev's and Zimm's history
into the record might tip the scales in favor of Zimm. Maybe not.

On 7/3/2013 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

-------------------------------------

Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.

Often, Harry has lunch With Al and they have long conversations on thing
that matter. Snicker. ;-)