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"Tim" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:18:03 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
My opinion about the Zimmerman case matters no more than yours, Tim.
I
don't see the Martin kid's family getting justice for the murder of
their son.

Of course it does, Harry. I don't have an opinion. I'm letting the
courts decide and that's it. Why can't everybody else?

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You have to remember Tim, Harry has a problem with court decisions
(even by the Supreme Court of the United States) unless the decision
happens to go his way.

Don't you remember Gore versus Bush? Some people just can't forget
it, including Harry.
But, when an important issue like same sex marriage with full federal
benefits (for 1.7 percent of the population) is decided, many people
including Harry applaud.

So, you see, it all depends what the subject is.

Just like Scotty says that just because someone is found innocent in a
court of law, it doesn't mean he's innocent.

In article ,
says...

On 7/2/2013 5:26 PM, True North wrote:
Let's just hope that the end result doesn't deteriorate into a Rodney King type situation.


Unfortunately with the sense of entitlement and the greed of the
minority leaders like Sharpton and Holder, it will be a riot...

And the racist steps in...... Going to call him the 'N' word soon, it's
one of your favorites!

In article , says...

In article
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says...


So now the court is in a 15 minute break. The MSNBC crew are all
excitedly discussing this "conflicting expert testimony" and about
how the doc said Zimmerman only got hit a couple of times.

You gotta be kidding me.

http://newsone.com/2001237/trayvon-martin-zimmerman-
guilty/
It's nearly all racial/ethnic. Blacks on TV universally
cast the worst light on anything about Zimmerman.
CNN black "analysts/commentators" do it too.
Same with the rabid anti-gun whites.
Some whites blindly support Zimmerman because he's white.
"Normal" people who rely on the scales of justice being
fair and impartial are disturbed that justice is being
made a circus by the racists and other nut jobs.
Not too much different than the OJ trial.
Personally, I think both shooter and victim were punks.
I'll go with the trial outcome.
But I can't see any way in the world that "depraved
mind" can be proved against Zimmerman - unless the jury
is incompetent. And that wouldn't surprise me at all.
They might find him guilty of manslaughter.
I wouldn't, given the evidence I've seen.
Seems clearly self-defense from all evidence I've heard.
But the selected jury will decide.
That's all that matters, barring appeals.



Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic with some African-American in his background? This makes him a brown
person and not a whitey.

In article , says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who
has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman
has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

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May be the case. But to be accurate, the "record of violence" you
reference has been determined to be rather minor in nature as it
relates to his prior arrest. Basically, he was drinking along with a
friend and acted like an idiot, same as most drunks do. The initial
charge of "resisting an officer with violence" was reduced to
"resisting an officer without violence" and then dismissed when he
agreed to enter an alcohol abuse program.

As to the domestic violence accusation ... there was never a charge.
An ex-girlfriend filed for a restraining order. Zimmerman filed a
counter restraining order. Both were granted. That was the end of
that. A "domestic violence" charge was never pursued by either.

If Zimmerman's past is important then so is Martin's. There are
several examples of alleged actions and behavior that diminish the
portrayal of him being a upright, law abiding model citizen. The
only one that has been officially acknowledged by records and his
family is the school suspensions. In fact, he was under a suspension
when this whole affair occurred.

I am waiting for the Martin was an angel card to be played. I am also waiting for a picture
of Marin that isn't three or four years old being used. The obvious message of using an older
picuture portraying Martin as a pre-teen is dishonest.

On 7/3/2013 7:27 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 7/3/2013 6:18 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I
don't see the Martin kid's family getting justice for the SHOOTING of
their son.

Justice for them is what Harry? An eye for an eye?

Maybe the state of Florida got justice for the parents not raising their
kid properly....

In article m,
says...

On 7/3/2013 7:06 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/13 6:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...



The pronouncements of those who are not the judge or jury don't matter.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of a violent criminal offense that resulted
from his actions alone, but I also know that the offense took place in
Redneckville, Florida, that the victim was black, and most of the jury
is white, so I don't expect Zimmerman to be found guilty.

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Wow. So much for giving consideration to any evidence and law that
might indicate otherwise.
Redneckville? 24 states have Stand Your Ground statutes. That's one
shy of half the country.

Al Sharpton has schooled you well, it seems.


It is unfortunate that so-called "Stand Your Ground" laws allow a
gun-toter to stalk an unarmed person, confront that person, precipitate
an argument, and then shoot and kill that person.

That is precisely what Zimmerman did, eh.


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The "Stand Your Ground" laws in this country specifically forbid any
action as you have described. What actually happened in the Zimmerman
case will be determined by a jury after giving consideration to all the
evidence presented in the trial.

Until Trev pushed Zimm to the ground and started wailing on him, No
crime had been committed. Why don't we proceed from that point in time.
Forget what happened prior.

With liberals it is not the action that describes the situation it is the intention prior to
the action that should be used to judge the action.

On 7/3/2013 7:29 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 7/3/2013 6:21 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

So what if Trey grabbed Zimm's gun and killed Zimm like he promised to
do? How would you call that scenario?

That would be fine with Al Sharpton and harry... Hell, even if Martin
had killed Zimm with the stolen gun he was trying to buy earlier, it
would have been ok with the racists here....

On 7/3/2013 7:36 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 7/3/2013 6:57 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/3/13 6:56 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 7/3/13 6:12 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:


Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.


"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.
No need for a trial."


I think you are quoting someone else there, Tim. I think anyone who has
a record of violence and who is outside his or her home and who shoots
an unarmed stranger is likely guilty of a serious felony. Zimmerman has
a record of violence, he was not in his home, he was advised to leave
Mr. Martin to the police, he stalked Martin instead, and when the
situation he created got away from him, he shot and killed Martin.

--------------------------------------------

May be the case. But to be accurate, the "record of violence" you
reference has been determined to be rather minor in nature as it relates
to his prior arrest. Basically, he was drinking along with a friend and
acted like an idiot, same as most drunks do. The initial charge of
"resisting an officer with violence" was reduced to "resisting an
officer without violence" and then dismissed when he agreed to enter an
alcohol abuse program.

As to the domestic violence accusation ... there was never a charge. An
ex-girlfriend filed for a restraining order. Zimmerman filed a counter
restraining order. Both were granted. That was the end of that. A
"domestic violence" charge was never pursued by either.

If Zimmerman's past is important then so is Martin's. There are
several examples of alleged actions and behavior that diminish the
portrayal of him being a upright, law abiding model citizen. The only
one that has been officially acknowledged by records and his family is
the school suspensions. In fact, he was under a suspension when this
whole affair occurred.



I'm sorry...when was Martin arrested or served with a restraining order?

When was Zimm suspended from school on several occasions for drug
possession among other things. Introducing Trev's and Zimm's history
into the record might tip the scales in favor of Zimm. Maybe not.

I think it would be great if their past were both included... Martin was
a thug, he was up to no good, he got shot.... period.

On 7/3/2013 7:49 AM, Tim wrote:
On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 5:24:25 AM UTC-5, Eisboch wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...



On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 2:46:46 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:





Personally, I haven't "lined up" with either side yet.





"But, Harry. you're pronounced Zimmerman guilty from the world 'go'.

No need for a trial. "



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Tim, your attributes are off. Harry didn't say that. I did.

That's one thing about Google Groups and you and Harry using the same fake email address. Sometimes it can't distinguish who is who.

According to Google Groups Iresoponded to F.O.A.D.


It has been noted several times to both.. I think it's a way to keep
both out of kill files.. If you want one read the posts of one partner,
you gotta' take the whole democratic team....

On 7/3/2013 8:45 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

In article
,
says...


So now the court is in a 15 minute break. The MSNBC crew are all
excitedly discussing this "conflicting expert testimony" and about
how the doc said Zimmerman only got hit a couple of times.

You gotta be kidding me.

http://newsone.com/2001237/trayvon-martin-zimmerman-
guilty/
It's nearly all racial/ethnic. Blacks on TV universally
cast the worst light on anything about Zimmerman.
CNN black "analysts/commentators" do it too.
Same with the rabid anti-gun whites.
Some whites blindly support Zimmerman because he's white.
"Normal" people who rely on the scales of justice being
fair and impartial are disturbed that justice is being
made a circus by the racists and other nut jobs.
Not too much different than the OJ trial.
Personally, I think both shooter and victim were punks.
I'll go with the trial outcome.
But I can't see any way in the world that "depraved
mind" can be proved against Zimmerman - unless the jury
is incompetent. And that wouldn't surprise me at all.
They might find him guilty of manslaughter.
I wouldn't, given the evidence I've seen.
Seems clearly self-defense from all evidence I've heard.
But the selected jury will decide.
That's all that matters, barring appeals.



Isn't Zimmerman Hispanic with some African-American in his background? This makes him a brown
person and not a whitey.

The one drop rule plays here.