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On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. Funny how stereotypes are automatically assigned. And sorry, but I don't think "Rev." Albert contributes anything to social harmony or stability. To the contrary, he fuels hate and distrust. It's what he does for a living. |
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On 7/1/13 9:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. Funny how stereotypes are automatically assigned. And sorry, but I don't think "Rev." Albert contributes anything to social harmony or stability. To the contrary, he fuels hate and distrust. It's what he does for a living. Al is pretty mild compared to any number of Republicans who hold national political office. You know, Cruz, Gomert, and about half the GOP members of the US House and US Senate. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... Al is pretty mild compared to any number of Republicans who hold national political office. You know, Cruz, Gomert, and about half the GOP members of the US House and US Senate. ------------------------------------------ I think he has toned down his rhetoric a little bit on his "Politics Nation" show, probably to ensure he keeps the gig. Even MSNBC with their very progressive slant can only tolerate so much. But why he looks to put a "racism" tint on just about every controversial subject or news story is beyond me. If it truly is a story pertaining to racism, fine. But he applies it to anything he doesn't like and he's come close to totally losing it a few times. MSNBC dumped Imus quickly when he made inappropriate comments of a racial nature. I wonder how far they will let "Rev" Al go the other way before reigning him in or showing him the door. |
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On Monday, July 1, 2013 8:48:00 PM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 7/1/13 9:33 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank� wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. Funny how stereotypes are automatically assigned. And sorry, but I don't think "Rev." Albert contributes anything to social harmony or stability. To the contrary, he fuels hate and distrust. It's what he does for a living. Al is pretty mild compared to any number of Republicans who hold national political office. You know, Cruz, Gomert, and about half the GOP members of the US House and US Senate. Yessir Krausie. Absolutely. No doubt, Harry Krause! By the way, have you made any headway in paying down your tax liens. Your two bankruptcies did not discharge your tax debts, eh? |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. So why did he get out of his car and start following Martin? Martin have "BURGLAR" printed on the back of his hoodie? Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, reckless endangerment - something - but, according to Florida's definition of 2nd degree murder, not that. Incidentally, immediately after the shooting happened, TV news reported the first detective on the scene wanted to charge him with 2nd degree murder. |
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On 7/3/2013 3:15 AM, Glaasgok wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:25:51 -0400, Hank© wrote: The state is winning the case................... For Zimmerman. ==== In the interest of social stability post-trial, it is important for *everyone* to realize just how flimsy the murder evidence was. Otherwise it will be viewed as just another lynching when Zimmerman is acquited. The prosecution would have had much better chances with a manslaughter charge in my opinion. ------------------------------------------ The lead investigator recommended a charge of manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder. Technically the jury is not supposed to know that and it can't be allowed as evidence in the trial. Flipped MSNBC on briefly just as the Rev. Al's show was coming on. "Breaking News" on his show's banner. What was the "breaking news"? Zimmerman used the term "those guys" on more that one occasion during the series of police interviews. As usual, the Rev. automatically jumps to the race angle. Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. --------------------------------------- Who knows? I am not taking sides and don't have a clue if he's telling the truth. I find the trial fascinating though. But I find it interesting that you also automatically assume Zimmerman was referring to blacks with his "those guys" comment. Why? In all the interviews and written statements, he talks about break ins/home invasions and never (to my knowledge) refers to blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians or any specific race as being responsible. He refers to them as "burglars". So, when he says "those guys", I take it as being "those guys" that are committing the burglaries. So why did he get out of his car and start following Martin? Martin have "BURGLAR" printed on the back of his hoodie? Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, reckless endangerment - something - but, according to Florida's definition of 2nd degree murder, not that. Incidentally, immediately after the shooting happened, TV news reported the first detective on the scene wanted to charge him with 2nd degree murder. OH NOOOOOOO, "the news reported it"... Yeah, the news also changed a recording of the initial 911 call to make Zimmermann look racist... |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 7/1/13 7:14 PM, Eisboch wrote: Zimmerman never referred to any specific race in all the interviews I've heard or read so far. I took the "those guys" term as referencing the group of people he claims have conducted burglaries and/or home invasions in the area in the past. The Rev. Al is capable of causing social unrest .... and *will*. I heard that, too, and I assumed Zimmerman meant blacks by his "those guys" comment. I still have not heard evidence as to why Zimmerman was chasing down Martin. If Martin actually punched Zimmerman, perhaps Martin was simply standing his ground after being stalked by a white guy brandishing a firearm, and Zimmerman said to himself, "Screw this," and shot the kid. ------------------------------------------ One thing that came out today in the recorded police interviews is that Zimmerman has a desire to be a cop. He claims to have an Associate's in Criminal Justice and is pursuing a Bachelor's degree in same. I had a hunch that this is what contributed to his creation of the "Crime Watch" thing. It may also point to an underlying desire to involve himself in events or possibly *imagine* events to be more than what they are. I am not sure it's a racial thing. If he has a vigilante mentality, it would likely apply to everyone he suspects as being a "bad guy". With that in mind, I am not so sure the jury will acquit. Tough call. |
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