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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 10:17:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The United States Department of Agriculture advises against the
practice of rinsing poultry or meat before cooking it. It runs the
risk of spreading bacteria on your sink, countertop and utensils where
it can be further spread.

Cooking at the correct temperatures kills any harmful bacteria.

Maybe some of us just want to wash the **** off the bird instead of
simply cooking it long enough to make it "safe".

This makes me wonder how they "wash" their birds, with a pressure
cleaner?
You are going to expose your kitchen surfaces to the bacteria as soon
as you take the bird out of the bag from the store. The answer is to
clean the surfaces.

BTW do you use those reusable bags? How often do you wash them and how
do you wash them?
To the contrary of what you hear, your dryer is probably not going to
get the contents hot enough to kill all of the bacteria, particularly
on the "energy saver" setting.

Here in the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County we have a bag tax. If you want a bag to
carry your purchases out of the store it will cost you 5 cents a bag. After this was
implemented there was a rash of cases of food poisoning. This was due to people buying re-
usable bags to cart their groceries home from the store. The problem is that people through
away bags where the contents leaked and since they paid a few dollars for their reusable bags
the just foled thme up and put them back in their cars which resulting in massive bacteria
colonies affecting the next batch of groceries.

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

What would make you think that a new bag is more sanitary than a
reusable one?

iBoaterer[_3_]

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:09:06 -0400, iBoaterer
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What would make you think that a new bag is more sanitary than a
reusable one?

There is no chicken **** in a plastic bag processing plant.

Chicken **** isn't the only non-sanitary thing in the world.

These plastic bags are made at a high temperature, packaged and
shipped without much human contact at all.

Until the moment they leave the factory.

There is not much chance for contamination. Once you start throwing
raw meat and unwashed produce in a bag there are all sorts of
opportunities for bacteria growth. There is also the problem that a
cloth bag absorbs water and whatever contaminants making a perfect
breeding ground. These contaminants are also more likely to leach out
into the seats of your car, reinfecting a clean bag.

Sure there is. What was in the truck before it was loaded with bags to
ship?

I did not make this up. Many other people with better credentials than
all of us agree.
It is possible to wash and preserve a reusable bag with a modicum of
cleanliness but that is not what most people will do

Cite?

iBoaterer[_3_]

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:57:20 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:09:06 -0400, iBoaterer
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What would make you think that a new bag is more sanitary than a
reusable one?

There is no chicken **** in a plastic bag processing plant.

Chicken **** isn't the only non-sanitary thing in the world.

It is not the only thing but E-coli is the heavy hitter in most food
poisoning.

These plastic bags are made at a high temperature, packaged and
shipped without much human contact at all.

Until the moment they leave the factory.

They stay packed up pretty well until they are taken out to the
register in bundles of 50 or so. The ones in the middle of that pack
will remain about as clean as they were at the factory until it is
exposed at the counter..

And you are sure you won't get one that's on the outside?

There is not much chance for contamination. Once you start throwing
raw meat and unwashed produce in a bag there are all sorts of
opportunities for bacteria growth. There is also the problem that a
cloth bag absorbs water and whatever contaminants making a perfect
breeding ground. These contaminants are also more likely to leach out
into the seats of your car, reinfecting a clean bag.

Sure there is. What was in the truck before it was loaded with bags to
ship?

See above

I did not make this up. Many other people with better credentials than
all of us agree.
It is possible to wash and preserve a reusable bag with a modicum of
cleanliness but that is not what most people will do

Cite?

http://www.uanews.org/story/reusable-grocery-bags-contaminated-e-coli-other-bacteria

There are dozens of other articles that reference this study and the
one at Loma Linda.

This shows that they are cleaner than plastic disposable bags HOW?

iBoaterer[_3_]

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:40:40 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:57:20 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

These plastic bags are made at a high temperature, packaged and
shipped without much human contact at all.

Until the moment they leave the factory.

They stay packed up pretty well until they are taken out to the
register in bundles of 50 or so. The ones in the middle of that pack
will remain about as clean as they were at the factory until it is
exposed at the counter..

And you are sure you won't get one that's on the outside?

They usually screw that one up putting it on the rack but the INSIDE
of that bag should still be fairly clean, not like the inside of a
cloth bag that has been a petri dish for a few months.

Cite?

http://www.uanews.org/story/reusable-grocery-bags-contaminated-e-coli-other-bacteria

There are dozens of other articles that reference this study and the
one at Loma Linda.

This shows that they are cleaner than plastic disposable bags HOW?

This shows they are DIRTIER than a freshly manufactured plastic bag.
If you really think manufactured goods are dirty, I assume you never
use paper napkins, plates, cups or plastic forks without washing them.

No, it simply shows they are dirty.

iBoaterer[_3_]

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 11:01:42 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:40:40 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:57:20 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

These plastic bags are made at a high temperature, packaged and
shipped without much human contact at all.

Until the moment they leave the factory.

They stay packed up pretty well until they are taken out to the
register in bundles of 50 or so. The ones in the middle of that pack
will remain about as clean as they were at the factory until it is
exposed at the counter..

And you are sure you won't get one that's on the outside?

They usually screw that one up putting it on the rack but the INSIDE
of that bag should still be fairly clean, not like the inside of a
cloth bag that has been a petri dish for a few months.

Cite?

http://www.uanews.org/story/reusable-grocery-bags-contaminated-e-coli-other-bacteria

There are dozens of other articles that reference this study and the
one at Loma Linda.

This shows that they are cleaner than plastic disposable bags HOW?

This shows they are DIRTIER than a freshly manufactured plastic bag.
If you really think manufactured goods are dirty, I assume you never
use paper napkins, plates, cups or plastic forks without washing them.

No, it simply shows they are dirty.

find me a story about how dirty a new plastic bag is.

That's what I asked YOU to do, YOU were the one that claimed they
weren't!

Until that time I will be shopping at places that give me a new bag
every time and I will recycle it (put it in the trash where it gets
burned to make electricity)

iBoaterer[_3_]

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:17:48 -0400, iBoaterer
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find me a story about how dirty a new plastic bag is.

That's what I asked YOU to do, YOU were the one that claimed they
weren't!

Yeah, prove a negative, that is your style

YOU said that plastic bags were cleaner. That's not a negative, and it
is us to YOU (the person who made the statement) to prove that.

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