[F.O.A.D.]

On 5/24/13 10:09 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are
pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the
teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year
old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do...
LOL!


Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school.
Wonderful.

And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school...


Did the wee voice in your head tell you that?

[F.O.A.D.]

On 5/24/13 10:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 08:14:28 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

Gee, you and Scotty both think education is a "scam"......

Students graduating with a degree that Harry admits does not convey
any job skills and comes with a big 5 figure debt think it was a scam.

There is a law school being sued by it's students as we speak over
that exact issue.



Harry "admits"? What I said was that I didn't think the primary purpose
of a college education was to get a job. I think a good college
education helps a student learn how to think critically and abstractly,
and how to adapt one's self to the changing circumstances life presents.
Thinking critically is certainly a job skill, at least in the world I
occupy in earning a living. If I wanted to learn a trade, I would have
gone to a trade school. In fact, I did attend trade school classes
part-time because I had an opportunity to learn a skill I wanted to
have, but not because I really wanted to work at that trade.

[Eisboch[_8_]]

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/24/13 10:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 08:14:28 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


There is a law school being sued by it's students as we speak over
that exact issue.



Harry "admits"? What I said was that I didn't think the primary
purpose
of a college education was to get a job. I think a good college
education helps a student learn how to think critically and
abstractly,
and how to adapt one's self to the changing circumstances life
presents.
Thinking critically is certainly a job skill, at least in the world I
occupy in earning a living. If I wanted to learn a trade, I would have
gone to a trade school. In fact, I did attend trade school classes
part-time because I had an opportunity to learn a skill I wanted to
have, but not because I really wanted to work at that trade.

----------------------------------------

A college degree has become a prerequisite for a job .... at least in
any of the professional disciplines. *All* college programs are
supposed to help how to learn to think critically and abstractly,
regardless of your major or degree pursuit but that's not the primary
purpose for most. Getting the educational credentials to pursue a
specific career goal is the primary purpose nowadays.

I think it has changed a lot over the years as job descriptions and
their duties have become increasingly specialized.

[Eisboch[_8_]]

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are
pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when
the
teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five
year
old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I
do...
LOL!


Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high
school.
Wonderful.

And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school...

---------------------------------------

I've finally come to the conclusion that the decline of the once proud
"rec.boats" newsgroup is beyond repair. Any attempt to have a
serious, civil conversation about *any* subject .... boating or not
..... results in name calling, finger pointing, blame assessment or the
vilification of the poster within two or three responses. Virtually
everyone is to blame, including me.

Accordingly, I may as well adjust to the new culture of the group.
When in Rome ......

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:55:37 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 6:21 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:03:50 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/22/2013 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:




On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

--------------------------------

I am not exactly sure what you are implying. It sounds like you are
saying that your mom helped institute a policy that all but guarantees a
HS diploma, regardless of academic achievement or qualification. Is that
what you are saying?



Wow, I think you are channeling loogie but I will spell it out for you.
Schools can in fact teach the students without 40 plus hours of homework
a semester. Our system has been doing that for over 50 years and our
system is constantly among the highest rated educations in the state...

I would believe that only if your students take three or four subjects, and have a lot of in-school
time for homework. If your middle- and high school students are not given a few hours during the
school day for homework, then I don't believe the students are doing as well as you say. I believe
this - the way to learn math is to do math. Your 40+ hours of homework a semester amounts to less
than a half-hour per day. Perhaps your school day goes from 7:30 AM to 6:00PM? Then I'd believe you.

John H.


Perhaps, you can't do math.... and either way, you can look up the
results, you don't have to "believe" me....

Your clarification, earlier, solved the problem.

Sounds like your schools are pretty normal with about two hours of homework per night.

John H.

Scotty has made it VERY clear here that he doesn't like education or
educated people.

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are
pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the
teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year
old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do... LOL!


Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school.
Wonderful.

You've made it clear here that you don't like education or those who are
educated. Probably from jealousy.

[Hank©[_2_]]

On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason
most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my
experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters,
with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

----------------------------------------

Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of
a philosophy.



You need to relax...

What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer?

[Hank©[_2_]]

On 5/24/2013 10:49 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 10:07 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:05 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:52 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are
pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the
teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year
old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.


Stop it BAR... They all know way more about this than you and I do...
LOL!


Comments about education from two guys who barely completed high school.
Wonderful.

And a comment from you who didn't even graduate high school...

---------------------------------------

I've finally come to the conclusion that the decline of the once proud
"rec.boats" newsgroup is beyond repair. Any attempt to have a
serious, civil conversation about *any* subject .... boating or not
..... results in name calling, finger pointing, blame assessment or the
vilification of the poster within two or three responses. Virtually
everyone is to blame, including me.

Accordingly, I may as well adjust to the new culture of the group. When
in Rome ......

Going to beat em at their own game, eh? Good luck. ;-)

[Hank©[_2_]]

On 5/24/2013 10:22 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/24/13 10:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 08:14:28 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

Gee, you and Scotty both think education is a "scam"......

Students graduating with a degree that Harry admits does not convey
any job skills and comes with a big 5 figure debt think it was a scam.

There is a law school being sued by it's students as we speak over
that exact issue.



Harry "admits"? What I said was that I didn't think the primary purpose
of a college education was to get a job. I think a good college
education helps a student learn how to think critically and abstractly,
and how to adapt one's self to the changing circumstances life presents.
Thinking critically is certainly a job skill, at least in the world I
occupy in earning a living. If I wanted to learn a trade, I would have
gone to a trade school. In fact, I did attend trade school classes
part-time because I had an opportunity to learn a skill I wanted to
have, but not because I really wanted to work at that trade.

Working isn't your strong suit. Could well be the cause of your
financial difficulties. ;-)

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
...

On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top
priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to
be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our
town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be
done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody
gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason
most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my
experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters,
with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the
homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

----------------------------------------

Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of
a philosophy.



You need to relax...

What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer?

The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point
of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out
my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person
would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for
elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of
homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get
homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an
elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some
projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is
ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is
for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not
bothered with during the school day...