[Eisboch[_8_]]

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 6/20/13 4:28 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote:


Depends on the degree.



Here we go again.
--------------

I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college
website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending
on
degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think.


You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms
of
what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree.

I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can
contribute to our society and to culture generally.

Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to
society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers,
firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there
on
the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what
makes our society tick.

----------------------------------------------

True, many of those professions are labors of love or passion. But
I
think many who pursue them also tend to be more liberal in
philosophy
and are receptive to government programs to assist in what they may
not
be able to directly pay for themselves. It would be interesting to
see
a breakdown of professional degrees by participation (and support)
of
government entitlement programs. My guess is the average person in
the
vocational, technical and engineering disciplines receive less
government benefits compared to the average "someone" in the "arts"
for example, simply because they don't qualify. In addition, you
certainly don't hear of many doctors or lawyers participating in
government entitlement programs.

These programs aren't free. Someone pays for them. Who do you
think
pays for the bulk of them?







Doctors don't participate in government entitlement programs? What
about
Medicaid and Medicare?

As for those vocational, technical and engineering grads? What
percentage of them end up working for at least a while on government
contracts during their careers?

Yeah, I know, they're not strictly government entitlement programs.

Who do you think pays for the bulk of those doctors' office visits,
and
those ships, tanks, and airplanes?

-----------------------------------------

Not many musicians, that’s for sure.

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 6/20/2013 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?


Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one...

My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my
footprint on it
When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it
wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc)
I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady
laughed and stamped my application.

--------------------

My mother did not have a birth certificate. Born in a snow storm in
Western Nebraska, and doctor figured she would not survive and did not
file the paperwork. She showed him, died 5 weeks short of 96. But to
get Social Security, had to go to the 1920 Census paperwork to prove she
was born in 1914.


I wasn't too involved but my parents went through hell trying to get me
a drivers license.. I think it may have actually been the SS Card that
was the problem but I don't quite remember. Anyway, like I said, I don't
have a birth cert, just a "notice of registration of birth"... Different
animal as far as the gubmit is concerned..

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.


Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is
trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even
close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters
degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third
hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but
it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations...

[Califbill]

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river
behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.



Here we go again.
--------------

I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college
website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on
degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think.


You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of
what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree.

I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can
contribute to our society and to culture generally.

Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to
society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers,
firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on
the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what
makes our society tick.

Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher
education trade school path. When I was getting my B.A., I was offered
the "opportunity" to enroll in the journalism school. I turned it down
because I was sure there was nothing I could learn there that I couldn't
learn by being an English major. In fact, *I* was the one hired by the
major newspaper in the area in my junior year, a fact that really ****ed
off one of the professors at the journalism school.


-------------------------

Fireman and teachers, at least in California are not low paid jobs. But
like my Buddy's daughter who has a degree in Voice from UCLA. At the time
probably cost $20k a year. $80K and no jobs, except in community theater.
Smart girl, and got some more education and now is a high paid county
administrator in the Northwet. How much taxpayer money went into supplying
Starbucks with a witty Barista?

[Califbill]

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/22/13 8:30 AM, Tim wrote:
On May 19, 6:45 am, Hank© wrote:


Another Secular Chicago thug. Only this one shoots from the lip.

This one shuts down schools...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...0,398991.story


Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.
--------------

Hell, with all the schools before, the graduation rate was dismal. It is
only up to 63% now, and that is rise, after years of being lower. Why the
low graduation rate before your Bush Recession?

[Hank©[_3_]]

On 6/21/2013 12:09 AM, Califbill wrote:

The extremely well educated and opinionated Mr Krause said the following.
"Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher
education trade school path"

Doncha just love Krause's new appreciation and application of grammar.

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On 6/20/2013 2:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?


Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one...

My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my
footprint on it
When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it
wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc)
I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady
laughed and stamped my application.

--------------------

My mother did not have a birth certificate. Born in a snow storm in
Western Nebraska, and doctor figured she would not survive and did not
file the paperwork. She showed him, died 5 weeks short of 96. But to
get Social Security, had to go to the 1920 Census paperwork to prove she
was born in 1914.


I wasn't too involved but my parents went through hell trying to get me
a drivers license.. I think it may have actually been the SS Card that
was the problem but I don't quite remember. Anyway, like I said, I don't
have a birth cert, just a "notice of registration of birth"... Different
animal as far as the gubmit is concerned..

I think Birth Certificates are for humans only.....

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.


Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is
trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even
close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters
degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third
hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but
it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations...

The insanity starts!!!! Now Calif Bill is kevin!!!!!!!

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 3:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 6/20/13 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river
behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.



Here we go again.
--------------

I'll post a link later to the local newspapers report on a college
website as too what people made 5 years after graduation depending on
degree. A performing arts degree was about $15k I think.


You keep equating the value of liberal arts education only in terms of
what one can earn in a particular field or a particular degree.

I don't accept the premise. What is important is what they can
contribute to our society and to culture generally.

Mozart and Van Gogh died in abject poverty. Their contributions to
society and culture far outweigh their meager earnings. Teachers,
firemen, social workers and nurses are not typically high up there on
the monetary earnings scale, yet they are major contributors to what
makes our society tick.

Not everyone who goes to college is interesting in following a higher
education trade school path. When I was getting my B.A., I was offered
the "opportunity" to enroll in the journalism school. I turned it down
because I was sure there was nothing I could learn there that I couldn't
learn by being an English major. In fact, *I* was the one hired by the
major newspaper in the area in my junior year, a fact that really ****ed
off one of the professors at the journalism school.


-------------------------

Fireman and teachers, at least in California are not low paid jobs. But
like my Buddy's daughter who has a degree in Voice from UCLA. At the time
probably cost $20k a year. $80K and no jobs, except in community theater.
Smart girl, and got some more education and now is a high paid county
administrator in the Northwet. How much taxpayer money went into supplying
Starbucks with a witty Barista?

Yep, have a relative who has a degree in drama, done a couple of local
commercials that paid something, other than that, community theater,
etc. Her husband has a paying job!

[Califbill]

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 6/20/2013 2:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 24 May 2013 00:04:48 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that
way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor
jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river
behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have
you
believe.

I never thought a college's purpose was to prepare students for a job.

That does seem shocking to the graduates who find out their degree
just allows them to be the most interesting barista at Starbucks.
I guess they can hang that sheepskin on the wall of their parent's
basement, over their bed.


Gee, my degree has taken me further than I imagined. It's what you do
with it that counts.

I find it pretty funny that you and Scotty both think that education
isn't important.

----------


Depends on the degree.


Please don't believe anything kevin says about me. It's a lie, he is
trying to start fights and mince words... I *never* said anything even
close to that, my two oldest went to College and earned her masters
degree, the second is furthering her college nights, and the third
hasn't gone yet.... I am trying to be nice here and participate, but
it's difficult when you all patronize folks imaginations...

The insanity starts!!!! Now Calif Bill is kevin!!!!!!!

----------------

huh?