[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/22/2013 9:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/22/13 9:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

Um, ok. either way. My point stands. Kids don't need three hours of
homework in the fourth grade, and in too many families, it won't/can't
get done anyway.... If they would stick to readin' writin' and
'rithmetic, instead of political and social indoctrination, they can get
it done in the allotted time period. This is a different world, the
schools need to adjust too...


Political indoctrination? Did your kids go to public school at a gulag?
Three hours of homework in the fourth grade? Are you on drugs?

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I don't know what the homework load is specifically in today's public
schools but both my daughter and my older son who both have kids in
school have commented that the homework load is incredibly high, even at
the grade school level .... significantly higher than what I remember
them as kids having.
I think the increased homework load on kids in the grade school levels
is a direct result of the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System
(MCAS) system that was introduced in 1993. It's still controversial
because it evaluates school systems and the teachers as well as the
academic achievement of the students and some people feel it puts
unnecessary pressure on the kids at too early of an age.

As for me, I don't really remember much of grammar school. My
recollection of high school (back in the dark ages) is similar to
Harry's .... about 2, sometimes even 3 hours a night, depending on the
course load.

Sure, that's about right.. 5 classes, 40 hours of homework for each
class, 90 day semester.... Sure, in high school that's fine and probably
about right.

I spend almost every evening with parents of elementary and middle
school students who are getting that amount of homework too, and there
are a lot of them that find it very hard to spend that much time each
evening doing homework for kids who could learn the basics of elementary
and middle school, during the school day...

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/22/2013 9:47 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/22/13 9:40 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 9:14 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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On 5/22/2013 7:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 5/22/13 7:18 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

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Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top
priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to
be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom or
dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our
town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be
done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody
gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

So, the policy of generous social promotions that got you a diploma is
still in effect?

At least I have a diploma... It's sitting right here in front of me on
the wall. Did you ever earn one?

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LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of
that has his high school diploma on display on a wall.



Bull****.. My mom put it up there some 30 years ago along with a few
trophies and other objects of my childhood? That might be forign to you,
but my mom was pretty proud of me, I do call bull**** that you couldn't
deduce that or something similar all by yourself though. snerk

I bet you have some momemtos on your wall somewhere of things in your
life you are proud of, I bet your mom did too.. Sorry if your "things"
are better than mine... you don't even see... oh forget it.. LOL! Hope
you never do...


Did she save that sweatshirt that said *High School* ?

http://www.80stees.com/images/produc...Shirt-link.jpg


Like I said, you are not worth engaging...

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/22/2013 10:03 PM, Eisboch wrote:


BTW, just so you know .... I never had two extra nickels to rub
together until much later in my life .... like over 53 years old. I
was not raised, nor did I live in a "privileged" economic environment.

Don't doubt that for a minute...

[Eisboch[_8_]]

"Wayne B" wrote in message
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Nothing wrong with sounding like Bill Cosby in my opinion. Bill is a
smart guy with a PhD if my memory is correct. Lack of parental
commitment to education is not just a racial issue however. It cuts
across a broad spectrum of sub groups and reaches well up into the
middle class in some cases. They are all dooming their children to
mediocrity at best and will be the first to cry foul when an asian kid
with highly committed parents gets into a better college.

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It's ironic that you mention Bill Cosby because I was just reading
about him the other day. He has a very interesting educational
background.

He actually failed 10th grade in high school and dropped out. He
later earned an equivalency HS diploma via a correspondence course
program.
He attended Temple University but left before obtaining a degree.
Went on to his acting and stand up comedy career.
In the 70's he went back to school at the University of Massachusetts
under a special graduate degree program and earned a MA without
benefit of having a Bachelor's Degree. He then obtained his PhD,
again from the University of Massachusetts. It was after he earned
the PhD that Temple University awarded him a Bachelor's for "life
experience".

I had always thought he was awarded a honorary PhD. Nope. He earned
it. His Bachelor's degree (awarded last) was the honorary one.

[BAR[_2_]]

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On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

You bet! Parents use the school as a day care and nothing else.

Head Start has proved to have no benefit to the child because by the time they are in 3rd
grade any perceived gain from Head Start is long gone. Head Start give low-income parents the
abilty to have the public provide baby sitting services cheaply and it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.

[BAR[_2_]]

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 5/22/13 9:23 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

Um, ok. either way. My point stands. Kids don't need three hours of
homework in the fourth grade, and in too many families, it
won't/can't
get done anyway.... If they would stick to readin' writin' and
'rithmetic, instead of political and social indoctrination, they can
get
it done in the allotted time period. This is a different world, the
schools need to adjust too...


Political indoctrination? Did your kids go to public school at a
gulag?
Three hours of homework in the fourth grade? Are you on drugs?

My daughters were told by their teachers in public school that if they used the NRA as a
source for anything relating to guns and gun control they would be failed.

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/23/2013 7:08 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

You bet! Parents use the school as a day care and nothing else.

Head Start has proved to have no benefit to the child because by the time they are in 3rd
grade any perceived gain from Head Start is long gone. Head Start give low-income parents the
abilty to have the public provide baby sitting services cheaply and it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

[Wayne B]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

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That's nonsense.

[JustWaitAFrekinMinute]

On 5/23/2013 10:07 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

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That's nonsense.


When was the last time you had a child in a public school system?

[F.O.A.D.]

JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/23/2013 7:08 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

You bet! Parents use the school as a day care and nothing else.

Head Start has proved to have no benefit to the child because by the time they are in 3rd
grade any perceived gain from Head Start is long gone. Head Start give
low-income parents the
abilty to have the public provide baby sitting services cheaply and it
gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

Nice to hear from the highly uneducated posters on educational topics.