[Eisboch[_8_]]

"JustWaitAFrekinMinute" wrote in message
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On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on
private charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top
priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend
too much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the
families and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to
be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we
give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think
graduate from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do
homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40
years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home
town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our
town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be
done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody
gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one
reason most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my
experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters,
with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the
homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

----------------------------------------

Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those
of a philosophy.

[F.O.A.D.]

On 5/24/13 6:56 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

===

Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.


A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.


In college no problem, and even in public schools.....



.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason
most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my
experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters,
with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the homework.

John H.


Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....


It's tough on families these days, but responsible parents traditionally
make whatever sacrifices are necessary to help their kids perform
satisfactorily in school, and if that means giving up kiddie motorbike
racing so there is time to help with homework or to take kids to the
library or a museum, then so be it. Your posts on this subject read as
if you are looking to rationalize the paths you took that did not lead
to helping your children succeed in school.

[F.O.A.D.]

On 5/23/13 9:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/23/2013 9:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?


Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one...

My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my
footprint on it
When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it
wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc)
I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady
laughed and stamped my application.




Well, I was never born... maybe don was right, I was hatched. It caused
me the most trouble the first time I went to get my DL. Took a lot of
work to get around it here in CT for some reason. I do have a "notice of
registration of birth", but apparently it's not the same to the ct
mvd...


You were born in Sparta and then dumped by your parents for the usual
reasons there.

[John H[_2_]]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:05:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:24:28 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of
that has his high school diploma on display on a wall.



I don't know where my high school diploma is. I'm fairly certain my
mother "lost it" when she moved from New Haven to Florida. My college
diplomas are in a scrapbook in the house somewhere...never bothered to
get them framed and I don't recall looking at either of them for, oh, 40
years.

I am not sure I had my high school diploma a week after they gave it
to me
If anyone wants to see proof, check with the DC school system. Knowing
what I do about DC, they probably lost it too.

Same here, I don't think I've ever saw mine more than once or twice.

I have had a lot more use for my DD214 than my diploma.
In fact that was all I needed to get my Social Security.

Good thing, because I have not had a SS card since 1964 when I lost my
wallet in the Potomac river near Key Bridge. (canoeing to Three
Sisters at night)

I have mine, a second one. It's not easy to get a replacement, doubt I'd
do it again. BUT, isn't it law that you have to have one?


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?

Mine has sat in a desk drawer for about 51 years. I can't recall ever being asked for it.

John H.
--

Hope you're having a great day!

[Wayne B]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:56:40 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

====

Families who care about the future of their children arrange their
schedule and make the time that is necessary. If you don't do that,
then you take what you get. Some kids who have a lot of initiative
and good study skills manage to succeed anyway but the odds are
against them. We started working with our kids almost from the time
they were born to get them interested in the world around them, and to
let them know that we were interested in them. It does make a
difference. Kids like to imitate their parents. If they see parents
reading, they become interested in reading, etc.

[BAR[_2_]]

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:13:26 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

it gives the government
flunkies time to mold the children in their images.


Yup, got that right...

===

That's nonsense.

You should listen to a high schooler and see what the teachers are pushing in schools. Most
of the high school students are smart enough to figure out when the teacher is campaigning
and when the teacher is actually teaching. Three, four and five year old kids are taught to
regurgitate what they are told.

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:24:28 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of
that has his high school diploma on display on a wall.



I don't know where my high school diploma is. I'm fairly certain my
mother "lost it" when she moved from New Haven to Florida. My college
diplomas are in a scrapbook in the house somewhere...never bothered to
get them framed and I don't recall looking at either of them for, oh, 40
years.

I am not sure I had my high school diploma a week after they gave it
to me
If anyone wants to see proof, check with the DC school system. Knowing
what I do about DC, they probably lost it too.

Same here, I don't think I've ever saw mine more than once or twice.

I have had a lot more use for my DD214 than my diploma.
In fact that was all I needed to get my Social Security.

Good thing, because I have not had a SS card since 1964 when I lost my
wallet in the Potomac river near Key Bridge. (canoeing to Three
Sisters at night)

I have mine, a second one. It's not easy to get a replacement, doubt I'd
do it again. BUT, isn't it law that you have to have one?


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?

Good lord. Cite WHAT? I didn't say or infer that you have to have one I
ASKED A QUESTION......sheesh.

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On 5/23/2013 6:05 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:24:28 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 22 May 2013 21:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

LOL! (Sorry). I think you are the first person I've ever heard of
that has his high school diploma on display on a wall.



I don't know where my high school diploma is. I'm fairly certain my
mother "lost it" when she moved from New Haven to Florida. My college
diplomas are in a scrapbook in the house somewhere...never bothered to
get them framed and I don't recall looking at either of them for, oh, 40
years.

I am not sure I had my high school diploma a week after they gave it
to me
If anyone wants to see proof, check with the DC school system. Knowing
what I do about DC, they probably lost it too.

Same here, I don't think I've ever saw mine more than once or twice.

I have had a lot more use for my DD214 than my diploma.
In fact that was all I needed to get my Social Security.

Good thing, because I have not had a SS card since 1964 when I lost my
wallet in the Potomac river near Key Bridge. (canoeing to Three
Sisters at night)

I have mine, a second one. It's not easy to get a replacement, doubt I'd
do it again. BUT, isn't it law that you have to have one?


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?


Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one...

Hatched out behind the outhouse?

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On 5/23/13 9:13 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/23/2013 9:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:09:07 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:


Cite that law. (SS card) I know I haven't missed mine, all my life.
The USCG never asked for it, nor did IBM, the state of Florida,
everyone I contracted with or any bank or financial institution I
dealt with.

SSA didn't even want to see it. Why do you need one?


Only document that ever held me up is a Birth Cert, I don't have one...

My birth certificate was the one issued by the hospital with my
footprint on it
When I got my Fl Drivers license they screwed with me about why it
wasn't an official DC public document. (raised seal etc)
I took off my shoe, held up my foot and said "see, it is me". The lady
laughed and stamped my application.




Well, I was never born... maybe don was right, I was hatched. It caused
me the most trouble the first time I went to get my DL. Took a lot of
work to get around it here in CT for some reason. I do have a "notice of
registration of birth", but apparently it's not the same to the ct
mvd...


You were born in Sparta and then dumped by your parents for the usual
reasons there.

He was born on Golob!

[iBoaterer[_3_]]

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:16:25 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:41:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Well, maybe more since the mid 80's or so... when it became ok for
public school teachers to act like university teachers in the classroom

===

How many university teachers are you acquainted with? They're all
different in my experience. I have a good friend and former sailing
buddy who is is a full professor at NYU and just about as conservative
as you'd want to get.

My daughter's father in law (a retired history professor) is that way
too but he always complains that he couldn't say much around the
campus, lest he be shunned.
He is also the biggest critic of the university scam I have heard.
He says universities are mostly focused on protecting professor jobs,
not preparing students for a job.
He still took the money tho. Now he is sailing the Indian river behind
Melbourne beach most days or up in his lake house near Oprah's house
in New Buffalo Michigan.

Educators certainly don't seem to be destitute as they would have you
believe.

Gee, you and Scotty both think education is a "scam"......