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The Bush-Cheney Legacy
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says... On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:38:50 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/21/13 11:46 AM, wrote: I agree. If we are going to limit magazine size, I would start with the cops. You just have to look at police involved shootings since they traded their revolvers for double stack SAs. Police are firing 30 or 40 shots in these incidents and few actually hit the suspect. This is a true story from a deputy I know.. The Charlotte County Sheriff department had a little unofficial competition at their range. 5 bowling pins at 21 feet (7 yard line). Shoot until they are all down, timed event. There are guys who have to reload their Sig before they hit them all. The winner is usually an old detective who carries a 5 shot Chief. 5 for 5. The result is something like that incident in New York where they hit 10 bystanders, trying to take down one guy. At least half the guys I see at the Maryland Small Arms Range are cops, and most of them have trouble hitting the "vital areas" on targets seven yards away. At 25 yards, which is my shooting distance, many of them can't hit the large paper targets, let alone the body outline on the target. You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) You are so full of ****!!! What a moron!! |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 4/22/13 9:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:38:50 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/21/13 11:46 AM, wrote: I agree. If we are going to limit magazine size, I would start with the cops. You just have to look at police involved shootings since they traded their revolvers for double stack SAs. Police are firing 30 or 40 shots in these incidents and few actually hit the suspect. This is a true story from a deputy I know.. The Charlotte County Sheriff department had a little unofficial competition at their range. 5 bowling pins at 21 feet (7 yard line). Shoot until they are all down, timed event. There are guys who have to reload their Sig before they hit them all. The winner is usually an old detective who carries a 5 shot Chief. 5 for 5. The result is something like that incident in New York where they hit 10 bystanders, trying to take down one guy. At least half the guys I see at the Maryland Small Arms Range are cops, and most of them have trouble hitting the "vital areas" on targets seven yards away. At 25 yards, which is my shooting distance, many of them can't hit the large paper targets, let alone the body outline on the target. You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) You are so full of ****!!! What a moron!! PsychoScotty got his self-defense training in a grocery store warehouse, where he was constantly under attack by badly stacked crates. |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Ok, were you shooting back at the time or taking cover or both? |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Did Harry do it? |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 4/22/2013 10:13 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:00:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Ok, were you shooting back at the time or taking cover or both? Shooting back. The over riding emotion was anger, not fear Ok... how did your training work out for you. Without getting into trouble, did you hit your target? Also wondering if you could elaborate on your stance and cover at the time? |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/22/2013 10:13 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:00:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Ok, were you shooting back at the time or taking cover or both? Shooting back. The over riding emotion was anger, not fear Ok... how did your training work out for you. Without getting into trouble, did you hit your target? Also wondering if you could elaborate on your stance and cover at the time? ((Snerk)) |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 22 Apr 2013 14:28:16 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 10:13 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:00:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Ok, were you shooting back at the time or taking cover or both? Shooting back. The over riding emotion was anger, not fear Ok... how did your training work out for you. Without getting into trouble, did you hit your target? Also wondering if you could elaborate on your stance and cover at the time? ((Snerk)) Do you outshoot all the Maryland cops, or just 'most'? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 4/22/2013 10:28 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 10:13 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:00:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Ok, were you shooting back at the time or taking cover or both? Shooting back. The over riding emotion was anger, not fear Ok... how did your training work out for you. Without getting into trouble, did you hit your target? Also wondering if you could elaborate on your stance and cover at the time? ((Snerk)) Yeah harry, if this is above your pay grade... |
The Bush-Cheney Legacy
On 4/22/13 10:36 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/22/2013 10:28 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 10:13 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:00:10 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 9:43 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:18:18 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/22/2013 12:46 AM, wrote: You should train at fairly short ranges trying to develop the muscle memory to be able to hit the center of mass on a B-21 target without really aiming. It is a point and shoot exercise more like claybird than traditional bullseye. You are really only using the front sight and starting from the retention position. I also do this from the decocked condition. Your follow up shots are more traditional aimed fire but these days, you probably have legal problems with a second shot if your first one hit at all.. I agree with Hank to some degree. If you shoot someone 25 yards away, you are going to have a hard time claiming self defense.. Yup, and every bit of that training goes out the window as soon as the perp shoots back and you turn away from him... But I guess it's cool to pretend:) I have been shot at. Ok, were you shooting back at the time or taking cover or both? Shooting back. The over riding emotion was anger, not fear Ok... how did your training work out for you. Without getting into trouble, did you hit your target? Also wondering if you could elaborate on your stance and cover at the time? ((Snerk)) Yeah harry, if this is above your pay grade... What does Greg's training, stance and cover matter to you? And, the reality is...minimum wage is above your pay grade. |
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