On 4/4/2013 6:35 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:29 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 6:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:20 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about
violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting
in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...


Like your father here, John the Racist, you have no reading
comprehension skills.


Your insults don't impress me... take it to someone who cares what you
think.


It's a fact. I posted a simple question and your inability to comprehend
what you read sent you off on a fallacious tangent. That's fallacious,
not fellatio.


Wow, word of the day... How impressive. There is nothing I care to
answer for your drunken ass... Now go back and drink while your kids
burn in their beds...

On 4/4/13 7:47 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


The question was, "Is there some quality, independent evidence that
proves that violent movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of
violence in the real world?"

Do you happen to know the meaning of the word, *cause* ?

---------------------------------------------------

One of the problems I have with modern liberals is that everything has
to be proven true with studies (usually government funded) surveys or
polls.

What ever happened to common sense?




Common sense may be common, but it doesn't follow that it makes sense. A
properly done study can reveal the truthfulness or falsity of a belief.

On 4/4/13 7:48 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 6:35 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:29 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 6:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:20 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about
violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting
in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the
real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to
pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...


Like your father here, John the Racist, you have no reading
comprehension skills.


Your insults don't impress me... take it to someone who cares what you
think.


It's a fact. I posted a simple question and your inability to comprehend
what you read sent you off on a fallacious tangent. That's fallacious,
not fellatio.


Wow, word of the day... How impressive. There is nothing I care to
answer for your drunken ass... Now go back and drink while your kids
burn in their beds...


It's okay with me that you want to continue in your stupid, ignorant
ways. Makes for grins and giggles.

On 4/4/2013 7:52 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 7:48 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 6:35 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:29 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 6:27 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 6:20 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 5:05 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about
violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting
in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the
real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as
the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I
understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from
mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.


You are a moron... Every 10 year old that has access to a tv knows
how
to use a weapon, clear a room, knows swat tactics, knows plenty to
pull
off a successful mass murder because they have been taught each and
every bit of it by hollywood and atari...


Like your father here, John the Racist, you have no reading
comprehension skills.


Your insults don't impress me... take it to someone who cares what you
think.


It's a fact. I posted a simple question and your inability to comprehend
what you read sent you off on a fallacious tangent. That's fallacious,
not fellatio.


Wow, word of the day... How impressive. There is nothing I care to
answer for your drunken ass... Now go back and drink while your kids
burn in their beds...


It's okay with me that you want to continue in your stupid, ignorant
ways. Makes for grins and giggles.

Your drunken rants are much more fun.. Say, beat your wife's head in
lately??? Mystery disease,,, pfffftttt...

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 7:27 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about
violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting
in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at
young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the
real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as
the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I
understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from
mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.

------------------------------------------------

Apparently there is, at least by doctors and mental health experts.

The discussion this morning was with Campbell Brown who wrote an
opinion
piece on the subject for the Wall Street Journal. (a link to the
article is provided below that includes the reports by doctors and
mental health people).

But Harry, we don't need studies, surveys and polls to validate
common
sense in rationally thinking people. The level of gory violence in
some
PG-13 rated movies and certainly in some of the video games that
young
people play have served to desensitize them to the sight and sound
of
heads exploding, blood spurting, brains spattering and other
horrific
(and very realistic) violent scenes. I've seen some of the video
games
that young people play. I couldn't believe it. Things have
changed
since "101 Dalmatians"

Brown makes an interesting point. In Europe, violence on TV is
regulated but sex and nudity is tolerated much more so than in the
US.
In the US, the opposite is true with the FCC highly regulating
broadcast TV sex, nudity and vulgarity but has no standards on the
regulation of violence. The movie industry is self-regulating (ha
ha
ha) with their "voluntary" ratings. Video game programmers and
manufacturers are free to do whatever they want.
Cable TV can pretty much do what they want also.

To disregard the media as having an affect on young people's minds
(or
even old people's minds in some cases) because no acceptable
"study"
has been done is burying your head in the sand, IMO.

Here's the link to the article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...144082092.html




I'll look for cites on some studies. But it seems that most of the
mass
shootings are more closely connected to the mental health problems of
the shooters. That was true in the Giffords case, the Colorado theater
shootings, the Virginia Tech shootings, the recent Connecticut school
shootings.

---------------------------------------------

You don't have to do a study to see the effects of media violence on
youngsters today and you don't need mass shootings to witness it.
Non-lethal general violence in schools is on the rise that includes
simple fights and more serious personal attacks. My daughter has two
boys, one in the eighth grade and the other a sophomore in high
school. This is the same school system that she graduated from along
with my oldest son.
Nothing compares to what it was like then and now. And the drugs.
Unreal.

"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 7:47 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


The question was, "Is there some quality, independent evidence that
proves that violent movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts
of
violence in the real world?"

Do you happen to know the meaning of the word, *cause* ?

---------------------------------------------------

One of the problems I have with modern liberals is that everything
has
to be proven true with studies (usually government funded) surveys
or
polls.

What ever happened to common sense?




Common sense may be common, but it doesn't follow that it makes sense.
A
properly done study can reveal the truthfulness or falsity of a
belief.

----------------------------------------

Well, while some await the results of their various studies before
taking action, I'll exercise some common sense. It has served me
well.

On 4/4/2013 8:02 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 7:27 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...

On 4/4/13 5:00 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35, turns
out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence on
TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the NRA
lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters (usually
Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones acting in,
producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most horrifically
violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many targeted at young
viewers.


Is there some quality, independent evidence that proves that violent
movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of violence in the real
world. I know that from time to time such media is pointed out as the
cause, but where is the proof? The Connecticut shooter, I understand,
played violent media games, but he seemed to be suffering from mental
illnesses. Media doesn't cause mental illness.

------------------------------------------------

Apparently there is, at least by doctors and mental health experts.

The discussion this morning was with Campbell Brown who wrote an opinion
piece on the subject for the Wall Street Journal. (a link to the
article is provided below that includes the reports by doctors and
mental health people).

But Harry, we don't need studies, surveys and polls to validate common
sense in rationally thinking people. The level of gory violence in some
PG-13 rated movies and certainly in some of the video games that young
people play have served to desensitize them to the sight and sound of
heads exploding, blood spurting, brains spattering and other horrific
(and very realistic) violent scenes. I've seen some of the video games
that young people play. I couldn't believe it. Things have changed
since "101 Dalmatians"

Brown makes an interesting point. In Europe, violence on TV is
regulated but sex and nudity is tolerated much more so than in the US.
In the US, the opposite is true with the FCC highly regulating
broadcast TV sex, nudity and vulgarity but has no standards on the
regulation of violence. The movie industry is self-regulating (ha ha
ha) with their "voluntary" ratings. Video game programmers and
manufacturers are free to do whatever they want.
Cable TV can pretty much do what they want also.

To disregard the media as having an affect on young people's minds (or
even old people's minds in some cases) because no acceptable "study"
has been done is burying your head in the sand, IMO.

Here's the link to the article:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...144082092.html





I'll look for cites on some studies. But it seems that most of the mass
shootings are more closely connected to the mental health problems of
the shooters. That was true in the Giffords case, the Colorado theater
shootings, the Virginia Tech shootings, the recent Connecticut school
shootings.

---------------------------------------------

You don't have to do a study to see the effects of media violence on
youngsters today and you don't need mass shootings to witness it.
Non-lethal general violence in schools is on the rise that includes
simple fights and more serious personal attacks. My daughter has two
boys, one in the eighth grade and the other a sophomore in high
school. This is the same school system that she graduated from along
with my oldest son.
Nothing compares to what it was like then and now. And the drugs. Unreal.


Harry can't rationalize or come to conclusions without direction. That's
why unions are such a good fit for him.

On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 17:00:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"True North" wrote in message
...

I hope there's something to limit ex-military from stockpiling
firearms.
Seems like every time there's a mass shooting by someone over 35,
turns out he's a vet.

------------------------------------------

Where did you hear or read that? Simply not true.

Interesting discussion on "Morning Joe" this morning about violence
on TV, in movies and in video games. All the media focus is on the
NRA lobbying for gun manufacturers yet many of the vocal supporters
(usually Hollywood liberals) of more gun controls are the same ones
acting in, producing, marketing and profiting by some of the most
horrifically violent shows, movies and video games ever made, many
targeted at young viewers.

Like his buddy, he enjoys taking cheap potshots at the military.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 19:51:19 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 7:47 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


The question was, "Is there some quality, independent evidence that
proves that violent movies, TV shows, and video games *cause* acts of
violence in the real world?"

Do you happen to know the meaning of the word, *cause* ?

---------------------------------------------------

One of the problems I have with modern liberals is that everything has
to be proven true with studies (usually government funded) surveys or
polls.

What ever happened to common sense?




Common sense may be common, but it doesn't follow that it makes sense. A
properly done study can reveal the truthfulness or falsity of a belief.

A 'properly done study' will invariably reflect the views of those paying for the study.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:08:31 PM UTC-4, Hank© wrote:


Harry can't rationalize or come to conclusions without direction. That's
why unions are such a good fit for him.

LOL! That was great. You can take a break for the rest of the evening now..