On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 15:23:46 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

Why do you feel the need to defend Al Gore? The internet grew out of
ARPANET and TCP/IP which was a little before Al's time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

Not defending anyone. Why do you feel the need to put him down?

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I'm not a big fan of Al Gore for a number of reasons, not the least of
which was his overblown claim to have invented the internet. More
importantly, we mostly have Al Gore to thank for George Bush's
election to the presidency. Gore was such an incompetent candidate
for election that he couldn't even carry his own home state. In the
presidential debates he came across as unprepared, immature and naive.
He has also been an incredibly unconvincing spokesman for his favorite
cause: Global climate change. The whole debate surrounding the
various climate change issues has been tarnished by his advocacy.

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On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:54:41 -0400, BAR wrote:

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"Wayne B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:00:08 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore
was
a driving force behind the internet. Your "experience" has nothing to
do with the underlying reasons for the internet's creation and
nurturing.

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Why do you feel the need to defend Al Gore? The internet grew out of
ARPANET and TCP/IP which was a little before Al's time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

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Didn't the original concept evolve out of DARPA ? I think that
agency was instrumental in funding what became ARPANET.

ARPA preceeds DARPA. There was ARPANET and then there was the Internet.

All correct. Never said Gore had the original concept. He never
claimed to invent the internet. Read up on the actual facts. They're
not hard to find, unless you're reading fox news website.

The actual facts? I was there in the 80's and early 90's working on TCP/IP bridges and
routers and other TCP/IP components.

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On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:55:11 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:27:26 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:00:08 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet. Your "experience" has nothing to
do with the underlying reasons for the internet's creation and
nurturing.

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Why do you feel the need to defend Al Gore? The internet grew out of
ARPANET and TCP/IP which was a little before Al's time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

Not defending anyone. Why do you feel the need to put him down?

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology

Because he is a oppourtunist.

In what respect? Because he's a capitalist? I thought that was the
most important thing in your little existence.

My little existence, that is cute.

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On 4/3/2013 1:00 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:07:56 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:27:17 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:46:32 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 4/1/2013 1:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/1/13 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:52:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Mark Sanford well positioned to win South Carolina GOP runoff

It looks like marital infidelity is not an issue anymore for
politicians ... if it ever really was.

Bunga Bunga


Nor is lying to the voters about where you were and who was paying for it.

True
I think the same guy who made extramarital sex OK made lying about it
OK too. I don't remember who that was.


I think it was the one that let the economy ride on the phony dot coms
and took credit for it along with Al Gore of course.. Without Al and his
inventing the internet, Clinton could have never invented the mortgage
crisis.... er I mean, dot com boom...LOL!

You ****ing moron. Gore was one of the driving forces behind the
internet.

Ah, no! Gore was not one of the driving forces behind the Internet. Electronic Commerce was
the driving force behind the Internet's ascendency. The ability to reduce variable costs was
and inprove communications was the the driving force.

Try again. You're just wrong.

No, I am not. I worked for companies who were developing equipment for the Internet in the
late 80's and early 90's. I have the Lucite trinkets to prove it. Most of our potential sales
were to commercial corporations who needed to inter-connect their internal PCs and other
computer assets to make far greater use of their compute investments. Bridges and Routers
where the needed items within and at the borders of the Intranets to enable the Internet to
explode.

Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet.

LOL! Right...

You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid
comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid.

Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly
won't tell you the truth, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology

On 4/4/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet.

LOL! Right...

You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid
comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid.

Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly
won't tell you the truth, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology


Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money
at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building.
You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and
"fast" internet we are now used to,
The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without
this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in
getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper
paths.
IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about
it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At
that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV
cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity.
The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education
center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and
there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company
offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper
than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area
at the time..


No offense intended, but could you fellas find some new topics over
which you can split hairs for a few millions posts? This one is boring,
and, as I age, I get bored more easily.

Thanks...

Part of your audience.

On 4/4/2013 12:12 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet.

LOL! Right...

You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid
comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid.

Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly
won't tell you the truth, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology


Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money
at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building.
You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and
"fast" internet we are now used to,
The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without
this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in
getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper
paths.
IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about
it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At
that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV
cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity.
The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education
center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and
there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company
offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper
than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area
at the time..


No offense intended, but could you fellas find some new topics over
which you can split hairs for a few millions posts? This one is boring,
and, as I age, I get bored more easily.

Thanks...

Part of your audience.

How bout talk about thumb safeties.

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:12:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet.

LOL! Right...

You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid
comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid.

Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly
won't tell you the truth, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology


Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money
at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building.
You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and
"fast" internet we are now used to,
The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without
this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in
getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper
paths.
IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about
it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At
that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV
cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity.
The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education
center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and
there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company
offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper
than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area
at the time..


No offense intended, but could you fellas find some new topics over
which you can split hairs for a few millions posts? This one is boring,
and, as I age, I get bored more easily.

Thanks...

Part of your audience.

How about sharing some of your 'special circumstances' for carrying with a round in the chamber.
That would be exciting, I'm sure.

And, don't read the posts if you find them boring. Do you really believe your cut'n'pastes are
exciting?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:41:24 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/4/2013 12:12 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet.

LOL! Right...

You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid
comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid.

Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly
won't tell you the truth, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology


Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money
at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building.
You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and
"fast" internet we are now used to,
The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without
this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in
getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper
paths.
IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about
it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At
that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV
cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity.
The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education
center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and
there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company
offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper
than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area
at the time..


No offense intended, but could you fellas find some new topics over
which you can split hairs for a few millions posts? This one is boring,
and, as I age, I get bored more easily.

Thanks...

Part of your audience.

How bout talk about thumb safeties.

Good idea.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

On 4/4/2013 12:51 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:12:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:28:56 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:


Which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, namely that Gore was
a driving force behind the internet.

LOL! Right...

You really should actually investigate a subject before making stupid
comments. But then again, you are insane and stupid.

Gore certainly WAS a driving force behind the internet. Too bad O'Reilly
won't tell you the truth, moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore...ion_technology


Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money
at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building.
You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and
"fast" internet we are now used to,
The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without
this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in
getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper
paths.
IBM and Comsat were part of that enterprise and we were hearing about
it in the TP community before the first foot of fiber was laid. At
that time, your best chance for real broadband was leasing space on TV
cable hard line but that was short hops and fairly limited capacity.
The first time I saw that setup was in Dallas where the education
center was on the other side of Rt 124 from the main Dallas office and
there was no easy way to get across that road. The cable company
offered us what would be called a T1 these days a whole lot cheaper
than the RBOC. I am not sure they even had it available in that area
at the time..


No offense intended, but could you fellas find some new topics over
which you can split hairs for a few millions posts? This one is boring,
and, as I age, I get bored more easily.

Thanks...

Part of your audience.

How about sharing some of your 'special circumstances' for carrying with a round in the chamber.
That would be exciting, I'm sure.

And, don't read the posts if you find them boring. Do you really believe your cut'n'pastes are
exciting?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Oh, he's just mad because they aren't talking about him...

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, wrote:

Gore was instrumental in passing a law that threw a lot of tax money
at the backbone infrastructure that the telcoms were already building.
You can easily argue that this was the kick start for broadband and
"fast" internet we are now used to,
The open question is how long it would have taken the telcoms without
this infusion of tax money and whether there was some federal help in
getting easements, although most of the fiber followed existing copper
paths.

The company I work for has done business with all of the Class I railroads in the US, some for over 30 years. Way back when, they owned and operated their own microwave backbones that spanned their entire rail networks, some covering 10+ states. With the advent of fiber, they all made deals with the telecoms to allow fiber to be installed in their track right-of-ways. Some negotiated for a certain amount of bandwidth, some for dark fiber. Of course, those microwave backbones are mostly just memories now.