On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:24:47 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:52:34 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/1/13 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:52:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Mark Sanford well positioned to win South Carolina GOP runoff

It looks like marital infidelity is not an issue anymore for
politicians ... if it ever really was.

Bunga Bunga


Nor is lying to the voters about where you were and who was paying for it.

True
I think the same guy who made extramarital sex OK made lying about it
OK too. I don't remember who that was.

And here comes Bill Clinton. Of course, he didn't defraud tax payers.
That would have been Henry Hyde and is holier than thou bull**** to
the tune of $100M or so.

What would your wife, if you have one, do if you got a blowjob from someone other than her?

I would probably wake up with a fork in my chest.

In any case, it isn't fraud and it shouldn't have cost us $100M.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:27:17 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:46:32 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 4/1/2013 1:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/1/13 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:52:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Mark Sanford well positioned to win South Carolina GOP runoff

It looks like marital infidelity is not an issue anymore for
politicians ... if it ever really was.

Bunga Bunga


Nor is lying to the voters about where you were and who was paying for it.

True
I think the same guy who made extramarital sex OK made lying about it
OK too. I don't remember who that was.


I think it was the one that let the economy ride on the phony dot coms
and took credit for it along with Al Gore of course.. Without Al and his
inventing the internet, Clinton could have never invented the mortgage
crisis.... er I mean, dot com boom...LOL!

You ****ing moron. Gore was one of the driving forces behind the
internet.

Ah, no! Gore was not one of the driving forces behind the Internet. Electronic Commerce was
the driving force behind the Internet's ascendency. The ability to reduce variable costs was
and inprove communications was the the driving force.

Try again. You're just wrong.

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:32:50 -0400, wrote:

If I had to point to one man who brought the internet to the people I
would say Steve Case who included an internet browser to AOL at a time
when nobody had even heard of it.
Prior to that "online" meant going to an in house service like
Compuserve, Prodigy, AOL or a privately run BBS.

=====

There were a lot of people on the Internet prior to Steve Case and
AOL. Many of us would argue that letting AOL users on the internet
was the end not the beginning. Once the unwashed mass of AOL users
starting running rampant, parents, legislators and law enforcement
types suddenly discoverred that the internet was like the wild west in
many respects. Just about anything could be easily found in those
days and all of the hand wringers and "ain't it awful" types suddenly
had a new cause: We must protect the children from the internet!

Of course these days we'e trying to protect the internet from the
children. :-)

In article , says...

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:27:17 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...


You ****ing moron. Gore was one of the driving forces behind the
internet.

Ah, no! Gore was not one of the driving forces behind the Internet. Electronic Commerce was
the driving force behind the Internet's ascendency. The ability to reduce variable costs was
and inprove communications was the the driving force.

The biggest force was deregulating the phone company, home PCs and the
invention of the Hayes modem.
Without that the internet would still be a primitive Email system
between military people and a few universities with big government
(DARPA) contracts, running on mainframe computers.
If I had to point to one man who brought the internet to the people I
would say Steve Case who included an internet browser to AOL at a time
when nobody had even heard of it.
Prior to that "online" meant going to an in house service like
Compuserve, Prodigy, AOL or a privately run BBS.
There were over a million Prodigy users when Al Gore
"discovered" the internet in the late 80s. AOL wasn't even around yet.
The bill he sponsored in 91 did throw federal money at a network of
fiber backbones that loop the US but the telcos were going to build
that anyway. They just did it with tax money instead of private
capital. They had already started building it when the federal money
came in. It was an important kick start to the rise of a faster
internet but the internet was coming anyway.

Don't forget about the Penril modem. It has its dialer in UUCP along with Hayes. Then, in the
end Hayes and Penril merged.

In article , says...

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:27:17 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:46:32 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 4/1/2013 1:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/1/13 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:52:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Mark Sanford well positioned to win South Carolina GOP runoff

It looks like marital infidelity is not an issue anymore for
politicians ... if it ever really was.

Bunga Bunga


Nor is lying to the voters about where you were and who was paying for it.

True
I think the same guy who made extramarital sex OK made lying about it
OK too. I don't remember who that was.


I think it was the one that let the economy ride on the phony dot coms
and took credit for it along with Al Gore of course.. Without Al and his
inventing the internet, Clinton could have never invented the mortgage
crisis.... er I mean, dot com boom...LOL!

You ****ing moron. Gore was one of the driving forces behind the
internet.

Ah, no! Gore was not one of the driving forces behind the Internet. Electronic Commerce was
the driving force behind the Internet's ascendency. The ability to reduce variable costs was
and inprove communications was the the driving force.

Try again. You're just wrong.

No, I am not. I worked for companies who were developing equipment for the Internet in the
late 80's and early 90's. I have the Lucite trinkets to prove it. Most of our potential sales
were to commercial corporations who needed to inter-connect their internal PCs and other
computer assets to make far greater use of their compute investments. Bridges and Routers
where the needed items within and at the borders of the Intranets to enable the Internet to
explode.

On 4/3/2013 8:07 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 07:27:17 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article , says...

On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:46:32 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 4/1/2013 1:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:33:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/1/13 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 12:52:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Mark Sanford well positioned to win South Carolina GOP runoff

It looks like marital infidelity is not an issue anymore for
politicians ... if it ever really was.

Bunga Bunga


Nor is lying to the voters about where you were and who was paying for it.

True
I think the same guy who made extramarital sex OK made lying about it
OK too. I don't remember who that was.


I think it was the one that let the economy ride on the phony dot coms
and took credit for it along with Al Gore of course.. Without Al and his
inventing the internet, Clinton could have never invented the mortgage
crisis.... er I mean, dot com boom...LOL!

You ****ing moron. Gore was one of the driving forces behind the
internet.

Ah, no! Gore was not one of the driving forces behind the Internet. Electronic Commerce was
the driving force behind the Internet's ascendency. The ability to reduce variable costs was
and inprove communications was the the driving force.

Try again. You're just wrong.

No, I am not. I worked for companies who were developing equipment for the Internet in the
late 80's and early 90's. I have the Lucite trinkets to prove it. Most of our potential sales
were to commercial corporations who needed to inter-connect their internal PCs and other
computer assets to make far greater use of their compute investments. Bridges and Routers
where the needed items within and at the borders of the Intranets to enable the Internet to
explode.

Peradyne?

On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 23:47:02 -0400, wrote:

These days usenet is really the only wild west left.
The alt.binary groups are still virtually unregulated again, for
better or worse.

====

It's not clear to me how Usenet manages to survive. It has certainly
become a rather small niche. The MP3 binaries were mostly garbage the
last time I looked, helped along by the RIAA and MPAA no doubt. P2P
sharing seems to be the wave of the future.

On 4/3/13 9:51 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 23:47:02 -0400, wrote:

These days usenet is really the only wild west left.
The alt.binary groups are still virtually unregulated again, for
better or worse.

====

It's not clear to me how Usenet manages to survive. It has certainly
become a rather small niche. The MP3 binaries were mostly garbage the
last time I looked, helped along by the RIAA and MPAA no doubt. P2P
sharing seems to be the wave of the future.


As a conversational medium, usenet is dead, dead, dead. Perfect example:
rec.boats.cruising. Other than Skip's continuing saga of the rebuilding
of his sailboat, the only other commentaries in there come from a bunch
of anonymous posters whining about another poster, and a guy selling
books or something like it.

I'm still in rec.boats because I actually want to be here on the day it
finally dies.

For "conversation" and exchanging of information, moderated groups are
the way to go. Hell, even Facebook is better than usenet. And with
moderated groups and Facebook, you can include photos, maps, directions,
whatever, along with your posts. I go up to Connecticut shoreline towns
twice a year now to attend gatherings, parties, et cetera, with old
classmates and other friends from the area, and these social events are
a result of our finding each other on Facebook.

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 09:11:00 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

No, I am not. I worked for companies who were developing equipment for the Internet in the
late 80's and early 90's. I have the Lucite trinkets to prove it. Most of our potential sales
were to commercial corporations who needed to inter-connect their internal PCs and other
computer assets to make far greater use of their compute investments. Bridges and Routers
where the needed items within and at the borders of the Intranets to enable the Internet to
explode.

Peradyne?

===

Paradyne.

Paradyne was a modem development leader but the big technology of the
late 80s and early 90s was routers and switches for corporate
intranets. One of my big investment "fails" was not recognizing and
acting on that trend. Sometime around 1992 or1993 I was at a high
level project review meeting with senior technology managers of a big
NY financial services company. One of the managers was being publicly
ripped to shreds because he could not meet a critical project
deliverable for Cisco routers in spite of his best efforts and major
customer status. I made a mental note to think about investing in
Cisco but never followed up. Opportunity lost.

On 4/3/2013 10:02 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
I'm still in rec.boats because I actually want to be here on the day it
finally dies.

How's your health these days? With your sleep apnea and osteopenia, you
might not make it.