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J Herring April 4th 13 01:12 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
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On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.


He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.


Ah, the story changes.


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F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 01:13 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 8:11 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right
or
wrong.


He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do
not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?


Not all my shooting is at a shooting range. I do have a permit for concealed carry.

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used
much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.


If I carried with a round in the chamber it would be because I was in a situation where I thought I
needed to do so...say walking the streets of Chicago at 2 o'clock AM or strolling the back roads of
Prince Georges County, MD, at the same time. If I had to draw the weapon, my finger would not be in
the trigger guard until I was ready to pull the trigger. I would not use a holster with the
flexibility to shoot the pistol, nor would I keep Sharpies, or other similar objects, in the
holster.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few
times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the thumb safety is "on".


That's good. But, if there is no round in the chamber then there is really no need to have the
safety on. A little extra precaution never hurt, however.

People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be
a matter of a second or two.


If I ever had to use the P250, it would, as you say, take only a second or two to rack the slide.

My comments to Harry were based on his essay safeties and conditions. I won't regurgitate.


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All you do here is throw up.

J Herring April 4th 13 01:14 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:25:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

------------------------------------------

Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb
safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am doing.
For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot
rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip
the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther on
the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on", but
you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the trigger to
fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing.

I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one for
the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead weight.
I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like
the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so
small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or an
inside pocket of your jacket.




I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the
hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip
the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though.


You mean to say that after all your talk of safeties, you don't know how the safety on the CZ works?


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J Herring April 4th 13 01:15 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:48:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 7:45 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
m...


I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the
hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip
the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though.

--------------------------------------------------

Sounds like the CZ is a decocker only. Makes sense.

When I took the safety course we used the instructor provided Glock 9mm
and his Ruger Mark II .22LR.
I like them both but sure enough, neither one (the newer Ruger Mark III
or the Glock) are MA compliant.



No, you cannot operate the trigger or the hammer when the thumb safety
is on.


It's good that you finally learned this.


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F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 01:15 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.


Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

J Herring April 4th 13 01:17 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:58:22 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 6:19 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.


Scary Bananas Krausie baby. One of the obvious reasons to holser a
weapon is to protect the trigger guard from obstacles like fingers and such.


That design is not conducive to drawing the weapon without a finger in the trigger guard. I prefer
the trigger guard covered enough to keep my finger, or a Sharpie, off of the trigger when drawing
the weapon.


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J Herring April 4th 13 01:17 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:53:02 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 5:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/3/13 5:39 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable,
computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats,
clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes,
VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas,
wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health
insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable
radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table
saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump,
water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are
you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my
revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy
yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?
Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?
Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I
posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?
That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that,
after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just
why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, John, it is not unused, nor am I in a corner. If you bothered to try
to understand what you read, you'd realize I offered up *one* way to use
the thumb safety on a pistol. There are others. But I told you I'd offer
one way. And that's all you got, and all you are getting, no matter how
many times you and your buddy FlaJim/Meyer/Hank fluff each other.


That's enough. Now that we have you side stepping and qualifying your
statements with here to fore unmentioned differences in weapons that
might alter conditions and readiness. But the valid question that John
asked of you remains unanswered.
You are just a windbag and a poser Krause.


Tap dancing.


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J Herring April 4th 13 01:24 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:45:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:48:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

It was explained to me that the reason a Ruger KP90 does not have a
safety is it is for cops transitioning from a revolver. Where the
safety would be, it has a decocker.

I usually train from the decocked position to be used to the double
action trigger pull.


I avoid the double action trigger pull by buying pistols with single
action triggers.


That means you are carrying cocked and locked. I really think hammer
down is safer. Once you get used to it the DA trigger on this Ruger is
not a problem at all.


A few hours in front of a TV properly dry firing a revolver is a big help to double action shooting.


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J Herring April 4th 13 01:28 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:28:44 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The few
times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty


===

Unless you are doing law enforcement work I think that's a good
strategy. I'd argue that without a round in the chamber, you don't
even need the safety.


Ditto. And if I have a round *in* the chamber, it's there because I'm ready to shoot - and don't
need the safety.`If I chamber a round and decide not to shoot, then the magazine is removed and the
round ejected.


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J Herring April 4th 13 01:42 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.


Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.


Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 01:51 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.


Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 01:58 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/3/2013 10:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The few
times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty


===

Unless you are doing law enforcement work I think that's a good
strategy. I'd argue that without a round in the chamber, you don't
even need the safety.


It's like having a pitbull with a muzzle.

J Herring April 4th 13 02:05 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:58:27 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 10:28 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The few
times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty


===

Unless you are doing law enforcement work I think that's a good
strategy. I'd argue that without a round in the chamber, you don't
even need the safety.


It's like having a pitbull with a muzzle.


LOL!


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


J Herring April 4th 13 02:08 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.


Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.


Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


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Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 02:11 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 8:13 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/4/13 8:11 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 18:06:38 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right
or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do
not have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?


Not all my shooting is at a shooting range. I do have a permit for
concealed carry.

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used
much in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.


If I carried with a round in the chamber it would be because I was in
a situation where I thought I
needed to do so...say walking the streets of Chicago at 2 o'clock AM
or strolling the back roads of
Prince Georges County, MD, at the same time. If I had to draw the
weapon, my finger would not be in
the trigger guard until I was ready to pull the trigger. I would not
use a holster with the
flexibility to shoot the pistol, nor would I keep Sharpies, or other
similar objects, in the
holster.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few
times I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the thumb safety is "on".


That's good. But, if there is no round in the chamber then there is
really no need to have the
safety on. A little extra precaution never hurt, however.

People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be
a matter of a second or two.


If I ever had to use the P250, it would, as you say, take only a
second or two to rack the slide.

My comments to Harry were based on his essay safeties and
conditions. I won't regurgitate.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


All you do here is throw up.


You are displaying your immaturity.


Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 02:15 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. *It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster.* It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.


Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'm surprised you didn't have more to say about Harriet's fairytale.

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 02:19 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.


Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

The more you allow him to ramble the more lies you can catch him in.

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 02:23 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 8:14 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:25:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

------------------------------------------

Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb
safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am doing.
For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot
rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip
the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther on
the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on", but
you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the trigger to
fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing.

I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one for
the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead weight.
I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like
the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so
small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or an
inside pocket of your jacket.




I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the
hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip
the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though.


You mean to say that after all your talk of safeties, you don't know how the safety on the CZ works?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

I think I mentioned that he needs some one to sit him down and explain
how different guns work. At the time I said that, I wasn't aware that he
didn't know how *his own guns* work.

F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 02:30 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.


Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 02:33 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.


Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 02:37 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 8:17 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:53:02 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/3/2013 5:48 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 4/3/13 5:39 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable,
computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats,
clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes,
VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas,
wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health
insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable
radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table
saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump,
water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are
you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my
revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy
yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?
Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?
Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I
posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?
That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that,
after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just
why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, John, it is not unused, nor am I in a corner. If you bothered to try
to understand what you read, you'd realize I offered up *one* way to use
the thumb safety on a pistol. There are others. But I told you I'd offer
one way. And that's all you got, and all you are getting, no matter how
many times you and your buddy FlaJim/Meyer/Hank fluff each other.


That's enough. Now that we have you side stepping and qualifying your
statements with here to fore unmentioned differences in weapons that
might alter conditions and readiness. But the valid question that John
asked of you remains unanswered.
You are just a windbag and a poser Krause.


Tap dancing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


OK Have it your way. A tap dancing windbag and poser. ;-

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 02:43 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 9:33 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.


Do you have the right permit Harrie?

J Herring April 4th 13 03:13 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.


Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?


Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


J Herring April 4th 13 03:13 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:43:46 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/4/2013 9:33 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.


Do you have the right permit Harrie?


Harry is attempting to change the subject.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


J Herring April 4th 13 03:15 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:23:17 -0400, Hank© wrote:

On 4/4/2013 8:14 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:25:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 7:13 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

------------------------------------------

Yup, your method is a very common one. I elect to also use the thumb
safety just for an extra measure. Makes me think about what I am doing.
For example, the S&W BG 380 "Bodyguard" is made such that you cannot
rack the slide with the thumb safety on. So, to use it you must flip
the safety off, rack the slide and it's ready to fire. The Walther on
the other hand *can* be racked with the safety (or decocker) "on", but
you still have to flip the safety/decocker to "off" for the trigger to
fire the gun. It's really what you get used to doing.

I tried several belt holsters for both. I have a nice leather one for
the Walther but since I got the Bodyguard, it feels like a lead weight.
I have two for the Bodyguard. One is a belt type, but the one I like
the best is a simple De Santis pocket holster. The Bodyguard is so
small and light it can be comfortably carried in your pants pocket or an
inside pocket of your jacket.




I'm pretty sure I can't turn the thumb safety on on my CZ unless the
hammer is in the firing position but on my Ruger Mark III, I can flip
the safety on or off no matter what. I'll have to check that, though.


You mean to say that after all your talk of safeties, you don't know how the safety on the CZ works?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.

I think I mentioned that he needs some one to sit him down and explain
how different guns work. At the time I said that, I wasn't aware that he
didn't know how *his own guns* work.


After the tremendous display of his knowledge, I was surprised at that.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


JustWaitAFrekinMinute April 4th 13 03:27 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?


Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 03:35 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,
right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his
thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the
understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.
You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are
doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't
used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.
Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The
few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a
matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special
circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't
yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have
a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to
keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it
holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the
holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I
would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with
a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?


Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those
special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...


Hate is such a strong word.

F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 03:41 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,
right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his
thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the
understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.
You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are
doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't
used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.
Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The
few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a
matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special
circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't
yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have
a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to
keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it
holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the
holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I
would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with
a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?


Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those
special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...



You really suffer from arrested development.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute April 4th 13 03:42 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 10:35 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,
right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his
thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the
understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.
You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are
doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't
used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.
Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The
few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a
matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and
the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special
circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't
yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have
a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to
keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it
holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the
holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I
would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with
a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short
way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?

Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those
special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...


Hate is such a strong word.


Don't forget the "literally"....

Hank©[_2_] April 4th 13 03:51 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 10:42 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:35 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,
right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his
thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the
understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.
You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are
doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't
used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may
be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.
Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The
few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a
matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and
the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special
circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't
yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have
a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to
keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it
holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the
holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I
would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with
a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short
way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing
pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?

Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those
special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...


Hate is such a strong word.


Don't forget the "literally"....


http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally



iBoaterer[_3_] April 4th 13 03:51 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
In article , hank57
@socialworker.net says...

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable, computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats, clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes, VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas, wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump, water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?

Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?

Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that, after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.


Yeah, a hundred posts a day for a year or so.... Then he can take the
title of most insane poster away from Scotty.

J Herring April 4th 13 03:57 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:41:58 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank©
wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,
right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his
thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the
understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.
You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are
doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't
used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.
Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The
few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty
and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is
safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the
time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a
matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special
circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't
yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have
a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to
keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it
holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the
holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I
would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with
a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?

Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those
special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...



You really suffer from arrested development.


Well, ESAD, you brought up the special circumstances in your justifications for the absolute
necessity of a thumb safety. What were those special circumstances with which you were faced?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 03:59 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , hank57
@socialworker.net says...

On 4/3/2013 2:24 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:47:13 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:42 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:06:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 1:06 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:34:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


have a home, plenty of food, a car or three, 3 TVs, cable, computer,
internet, air conditioning, washer dryer, bicycles, boats, clothes,
shoes, hand tools, fishing poles, cupboard full of dishes, VCRs, hobby
materials, electronic test equipment, electricity, stove,
storage shed/work shop, furniture, freezer, money for gas, wifi radio,
communication receiver, fax machine, cordless phone, health insurance,
HSA SEP, riding mower, push mower, electric gokart, portable radio,
books, binoculars, sewing machines, storage cabinets, table saw, jig
saw, band saw, greenhouse, irrigation system, water pump, water/sewer,
living close to local consumer services.


Please add to the list and tell me what good things are you missing.


Mikek



The phrase typically does not refer to those sorts of things.

Does it refer to safeties on handguns? You know, neither of my revolvers, one of which is the
"Highway Patrolman" has a safety. They must be 'bad' guns, huh?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet? Or
whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40? Or
whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?

If I were in your shoes I'd be doing the same thing.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



I learned this trick from you:

Have you figured out the difference between polymer and alloy yet?
Absolutely! That was a rhetorical question for Tim.

Or whether you should winterize your outboard's innards with WD 40?
Absolutely! That was a comment made by a Dutch mechanic which I posted for comments. Got 'em too!

Or whether you should use two cycle oil in your four stroke outboard?
That was never an issue. One of our other readers questioned that, after misreading a post.

Now, see how easy that was? Perhaps you'd care to expound on just why you put the safety on after
loading a round on the range. Do you stand around and bull****?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.


Yeah, a hundred posts a day for a year or so.... Then he can take the
title of most insane poster away from Scotty.



FlaJim/Hank/Meyer is faking being a social worker now? (Noticed his
email addy in your post).

He'd never get through the typical required entrance essay.

iBoaterer[_3_] April 4th 13 04:22 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
In article ,
says...

On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"J Herring" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank© wrote:



I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer, right or
wrong.

He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his thumb
safety is unused, and therefore
useless.

----------------------------------------

John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the understanding that
you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range. You do not
have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?

The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are doing
with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't used much
in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may be.

Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on. Some with a
round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The few times
I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty and the
thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is safer that
way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the time it would
take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a matter of a
second or two.




I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and the
safety on. I've only done that a few times under special circumstances.
When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't yet
racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have a belt
carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to keep the
firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it holds the
weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the holster. It's
not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.

Ah, the story changes.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I would give
you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a
remedial reading course.

Bull****. Go read your essay.


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.

Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.

You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with a round in the chamber, now you
say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.



A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the
parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short way,
in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who
hang out there.

If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing pool" as
to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?


Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...
I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair
into the van...


I wondered when your lies about others would start. Guess you'll go
completely insane again, start your nasty vulgar posts about poster's
family members, make racial slurs, and other low class sorts of things,
make up lies about posters and on and on....

iBoaterer[_3_] April 4th 13 04:24 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
In article ,
says...

On 4/4/2013 2:00 AM,
wrote:


So, you're claiming that all the big oil subsidies and all the
infrastructure that supports that is somehow equal to the paltry sums
that are used to subsidize wind/solar, two technologies that don't
pollute nearly as much and are completely renewable.


Complete bull****... Solar pollutes way more than fraking. Look at
China, near the manufacturing plants.


Prove that statement, idiot. You really shouldn't get your science from
FOX.

True North[_2_] April 4th 13 04:25 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:51:24 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:42 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/4/2013 10:35 AM, Hank� wrote:


On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D."


wrote:




On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."


wrote:




On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."


wrote:




On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:






"J Herring" wrote in message


...




On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank�


wrote:








I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,


right or


wrong.




He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his


thumb


safety is unused, and therefore


useless.




----------------------------------------




John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the


understanding that


you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.


You do not


have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?




The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are


doing


with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't


used much


in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may


be.




Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.


Some with a


round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The


few times


I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty


and the


thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is


safer that


way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the


time it would


take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a


matter of a


second or two.










I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and


the


safety on. I've only done that a few times under special


circumstances.


When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't


yet


racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have


a belt


carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to


keep the


firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it


holds the


weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the


holster. It's


not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.




Ah, the story changes.






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.






No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I


would give


you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a


remedial reading course.




Bull****. Go read your essay.






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.








Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.




Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.




You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with


a round in the chamber, now you


say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.








A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the


parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short


way,


in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who


hang out there.




If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing


pool" as


to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?




Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.




You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those


special circumstances that required


you to chamber a round?






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.






There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause....


I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair


into the van...




Hate is such a strong word.




Don't forget the "literally"....




http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally



Why, that's a very useful site.
Think I'll send this poster to Lil' Snottie in South Windsor.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

JustWaitAFrekinMinute April 4th 13 06:14 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/2013 11:25 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:51:24 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:42 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/4/2013 10:35 AM, Hank� wrote:


On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:




On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D."


wrote:




On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."


wrote:




On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:


On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."


wrote:




On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:






"J Herring" wrote in message


...




On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hank�


wrote:








I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,


right or


wrong.




He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his


thumb


safety is unused, and therefore


useless.




----------------------------------------




John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the


understanding that


you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.


You do not


have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?




The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are


doing


with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't


used much


in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may


be.




Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.


Some with a


round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The


few times


I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty


and the


thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is


safer that


way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the


time it would


take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a


matter of a


second or two.










I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and


the


safety on. I've only done that a few times under special


circumstances.


When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't


yet


racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have


a belt


carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to


keep the


firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it


holds the


weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the


holster. It's


not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.




Ah, the story changes.






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.






No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I


would give


you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a


remedial reading course.




Bull****. Go read your essay.






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.








Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.




Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.




You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with


a round in the chamber, now you


say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.








A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the


parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short


way,


in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who


hang out there.




If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing


pool" as


to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?




Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.




You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those


special circumstances that required


you to chamber a round?






Salmonbait




--


'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.






There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...


I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair


into the van...




Hate is such a strong word.




Don't forget the "literally"....




http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally



Why, that's a very useful site.
Think I'll send this poster to Lil' Snottie in South Windsor.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling


You would be better to clean your yard... pig...

iBoaterer[_3_] April 4th 13 06:23 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
In article ,
says...

On 4/4/2013 11:25 AM, True North wrote:
On Thursday, 4 April 2013 11:51:24 UTC-3, Hank© wrote:
On 4/4/2013 10:42 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/4/2013 10:35 AM, Hankï¿? wrote:

On 4/4/2013 10:27 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 4/4/2013 10:13 AM, J Herring wrote:

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 09:33:29 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



On 4/4/13 9:08 AM, J Herring wrote:

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:51:45 -0400, "F.O.A.D."

wrote:



On 4/4/13 8:42 AM, J Herring wrote:

On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:15:38 -0400, "F.O.A.D."

wrote:



On 4/4/13 8:12 AM, J Herring wrote:

On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 18:19:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D."

wrote:



On 4/3/13 6:06 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"J Herring" wrote in message

...



On Wed, 03 Apr 2013 16:31:58 -0400, Hankï¿?

wrote:







I'd keep pressing him until he gives you a thoughtful answer,

right or

wrong.



He backed himself into a corner. He'd have to admit that his

thumb

safety is unused, and therefore

useless.



----------------------------------------



John, correct me if I am wrong but I am under the

understanding that

you do all your live round gun handling at a shooting range.

You do not

have a permit for concealed carry. Is that correct?



The reason I ask is because I think it depends on what you are

doing

with regard to a safety. At the range a thumb safety isn't

used much

in the normal protocol of shooting but if you carry, it may

be.



Some people carry with the safety off. Some with it on.

Some with a

round in the chamber, some with the chamber empty. Me? The

few times

I carry, I have a full clip inserted, but the chamber is empty

and the

thumb safety is "on". People will disagree, but I feel it is

safer that

way, for me and for others. If I ever had to use it, the

time it would

take to snap the safety off and rack the slide would be a

matter of a

second or two.









I've carried outside of the house with a round in the pipe and

the

safety on. I've only done that a few times under special

circumstances.

When I do carry, typically, I have a mag inserted but I haven't

yet

racked the slide, so there's no need to use the safety. I have

a belt

carry holster so when I do carry, I have to wear a jacket to

keep the

firearm covered. It's a custom molded holster, and while it

holds the

weapon snugly, the trigger guard is completely free of the

holster. It's

not an expensive holster. I think it was about $75.



Ah, the story changes.





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.





No, Herring, there was always more to it. Remember, I said I

would give

you "an" example. Perhaps your next hobby should be enrolling in a

remedial reading course.



Bull****. Go read your essay.





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.







Hehehe. I've become Herring's obsession. What a giggle.



Well, it's more like enthralled with your knowledge.



You've got us all wondering...earlier you said you never carry with

a round in the chamber, now you

say you do so under 'special circumstances'. What would those be?





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.







A good place to do so, if you have the right permit, would be in the

parking lot at that Springfield Mall down the road from you a short

way,

in order to avoid being carjacked by the friendly MS-13 gangsters who

hang out there.



If there were more posters here, we could start up a "guessing

pool" as

to your next obsessive hobby. Does crocheting interest you? Could it?



Nope, been there many, many times with only my car keys for protection.



You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those

special circumstances that required

you to chamber a round?





Salmonbait



--

'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.





There are a lot of people out there that literally hate harry krause...

I am sure "special circumstances" are any time he loads his wheelchair

into the van...



Hate is such a strong word.



Don't forget the "literally"....



http://theoatmeal.com/comics/literally


Why, that's a very useful site.
Think I'll send this poster to Lil' Snottie in South Windsor.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling


You would be better to clean your yard... pig...


The vulgar low class scum calling someone else a pig.

[email protected] April 4th 13 06:28 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:13:08 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?

Salmonbait

'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Any time there's a chance that a stump might sneak up on him. :-

F.O.A.D. April 4th 13 06:30 PM

Why we can't have good things
 
On 4/4/13 1:28 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 10:13:08 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:

You referred to 'special circumstances', not me. What were those special circumstances that required
you to chamber a round?

Salmonbait

'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand.


Any time there's a chance that a stump might sneak up on him. :-



I dunno, PsychoSnotty seems pretty clumsy.


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