On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:54:24 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:25:10 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:


Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e.,
the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so
high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once
hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've
encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just
could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment.
Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and
acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There
are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue
collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel
mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically
demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well
and can lead to having your own business.

I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college
and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really
need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German
model of training workers for their particular field, that may be
another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge
debt.

Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu
makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without
one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are
the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view.

What happens to that statistic when you take out the hedge fund
managers, doctors and lawyers?
What is the average salary for the regular BA who struggled with
college, maybe taking 5 or even 6 years to complete his degree with
very little job skill to show for it?


Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

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Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in
terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

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Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in
terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree.


Bull****. Try hiring someone who doesn't know how to look at a report
and figure out what's going on. Or create one that can be read by
someone.

The worst degree to get is none. Just about every undergrad degree
program requires some pretty substantial "liberal arts" background to
graduate. You're argument is that if it isn't engineering or
programming, then you shouldn't go to school. That's total bull****
and wrong on the face of it.

Oh, sorry for using bull****. I thought this was a boating group, but
it seems like there are a bunch of ****ing pansies who can't stand the
****ing word.

"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full
of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

------------------------------------------

Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in
terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree.


Bull****. Try hiring someone who doesn't know how to look at a report
and figure out what's going on. Or create one that can be read by
someone.

The worst degree to get is none. Just about every undergrad degree
program requires some pretty substantial "liberal arts" background to
graduate. You're argument is that if it isn't engineering or
programming, then you shouldn't go to school. That's total bull****
and wrong on the face of it.

Oh, sorry for using bull****. I thought this was a boating group, but
it seems like there are a bunch of ****ing pansies who can't stand the
****ing word.

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I'll repeat my statement. Read it slowly and with feeling:

"The worst degree to get now-a-days in *terms of jobs* is a liberal
arts degree."

Don't believe it? Look it up.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:23 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:55:23 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:54:24 -0400, wrote:

Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu
makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without
one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are
the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view.

What happens to that statistic when you take out the hedge fund
managers, doctors and lawyers?
What is the average salary for the regular BA who struggled with
college, maybe taking 5 or even 6 years to complete his degree with
very little job skill to show for it?


Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

There is nothing wrong with a general education but you have to
consider what you are learning and how it will actually help you
getting a job.
A far more meaningful statistic would be what is the difference
between a non-professional college degree and a trade school.

So, learning how to think critically... like getting a liberal arts
education is pretty worthless. I get it.

Well, what's the difference? You could use Germany as an example, but
they're a bunch of socialists.

http://academic.cuesta.edu/intlang/g...education.html

"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:23 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:55:23 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:54:24 -0400, wrote:

Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college
edu
makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine
without
one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers
are
the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view.

What happens to that statistic when you take out the hedge fund
managers, doctors and lawyers?
What is the average salary for the regular BA who struggled with
college, maybe taking 5 or even 6 years to complete his degree with
very little job skill to show for it?


Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go
for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full
of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

There is nothing wrong with a general education but you have to
consider what you are learning and how it will actually help you
getting a job.
A far more meaningful statistic would be what is the difference
between a non-professional college degree and a trade school.

So, learning how to think critically... like getting a liberal arts
education is pretty worthless. I get it.

Well, what's the difference? You could use Germany as an example, but
they're a bunch of socialists.

http://academic.cuesta.edu/intlang/g...education.html

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Germany had mandatory active duty military service until 2011 when it
was ended in favor of a smaller, all volunteer force.
It wasn't a draft. Every able bodied male served. I believe the
requirement was for 2 years and had been in effect since the 1950's.

Several Germans attended some of the same classes I took while in the
Navy.