On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:46:22 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx
wrote:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html

Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same philosophy of
the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college education so
we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges see
this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at consumables,
like text books, insanely costly.


You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in college
costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was so wrong
I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare
inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different.
Mikek


You're a ****in idiot.

You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're
still mad.

You are one stupid ****.

Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke!
Mikek


Then take your meds you ****ing moron. Never heard of taking personal
responsibility? I thought that's what all your freaks insist on.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:23 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:55:23 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:54:24 -0400, wrote:

Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu
makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without
one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are
the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view.

What happens to that statistic when you take out the hedge fund
managers, doctors and lawyers?
What is the average salary for the regular BA who struggled with
college, maybe taking 5 or even 6 years to complete his degree with
very little job skill to show for it?


Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

There is nothing wrong with a general education but you have to
consider what you are learning and how it will actually help you
getting a job.
A far more meaningful statistic would be what is the difference
between a non-professional college degree and a trade school.

So, learning how to think critically... like getting a liberal arts
education is pretty worthless. I get it.

Well, what's the difference? You could use Germany as an example, but
they're a bunch of socialists.

http://academic.cuesta.edu/intlang/g...education.html

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for
it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with
each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of
****. What's wrong with a general education?????

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Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in
terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree.


Bull****. Try hiring someone who doesn't know how to look at a report
and figure out what's going on. Or create one that can be read by
someone.

The worst degree to get is none. Just about every undergrad degree
program requires some pretty substantial "liberal arts" background to
graduate. You're argument is that if it isn't engineering or
programming, then you shouldn't go to school. That's total bull****
and wrong on the face of it.

Oh, sorry for using bull****. I thought this was a boating group, but
it seems like there are a bunch of ****ing pansies who can't stand the
****ing word.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:36:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:22:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 3/18/13 3:20 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:


Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job,
i.e.,
the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills
is so
high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door.
Once
hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've
encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who
just
could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work
environment.
Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and
acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead.
There
are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty,
blue
collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing,
diesel
mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are
physically
demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very
well
and can lead to having your own business.

I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to
college
and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not
really
need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German
model of training workers for their particular field, that may be
another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a
huge
debt.

Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu
makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine
without
one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers
are
the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view.

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Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there
are
no
jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is
the
degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of
debt
for
many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college
grads
are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of
older
people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting
extended
unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really
happens,
isn't going to bring those jobs back.

Check out these statistics:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/


Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO.



There isn't going to be a real economic recovery until there is a
restructuring of our society. Too much of our nation's wealth is in
the
hands of the super rich, and the trend in that direction continues.
More
then they have since the 19th Century here, workers have become a
disposable commodity, with more of them working without even basic
protections, with a diminishing number of employers providing health
care, with few employers providing defined pensions, et cetera. It's
becoming much more difficult to put away a few dollars when one is
facing a lifetime of really insecure employment, family medical
bills,
et cetera. As a society, we're on the downhill part of a roller
coaster
ride that sadly leads only to the bottom.

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Why is that so? I don't agree with your "disposable commodity"
mentality, but I do agree that there is a shrinking middle class due
to a corresponding shrinking job market. Even Al Gore warned of this
way back when. So did Ross Perot.

There has always been "super rich". Why is the "super rich"
suddenly
and primarily responsible for the job losses and resultant middle
class unemployment?

The primary reason is global competition for traditional
manufacturing
jobs in industry. As Wayne pointed out, there will always be jobs
that can't be outsourced, but everyone can't be a plumber,
electrician or HVAC technician. For a while, everyone and his
brother
was becoming an "IT" serviceperson or was setting up website creation
and maintenance services. But with canned software, anyone with half
a brain can create and maintain their own website.

Go to an ER or hospital lately? A good number of the doctors are
transplants from other countries. Cars run for 100,000 miles or
more
with only cursory maintenance. Used to require a tune-up every
20,000
miles. Electronic devices like computers and TV's have become
disposable and cheap. No need to repair them and when they can be
repaired, you can usually do it yourself. Magazines and newspapers
are on the decline. Everything worth reading can be found on the
Internet. No need for mechanics maintaining printing presses or
truck drivers delivering bales of newspapers anymore.

If you stop to think about all the technological advances made in the
past 15 years or so and also consider the global competition for the
manufacturing jobs, I think it becomes clear what has happened to
middle class jobs.


Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****.

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So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology?


Yes, UofF. Also Col. School of Mines. Do you want to know where my
tattoo is located? I doubt it.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:09:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Meyer" wrote in message
web.com...

On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****.

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So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology?


Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick
not
yours.

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Just trying to communicate in his native tongue.


Tonginglinguis? Not interested.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:16:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/18/13 6:09 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Meyer" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****.

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So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology?


Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick not
yours.

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Just trying to communicate in his native tongue.




Are you trying to imitate "Mired"?

He's doing a ****ing bad job. I kinda like Eisboch. Mild mannered and
not a total dip****.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:36:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree
into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get
even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree.

The problem is, once you move away from academia, there is not a lot
of work in that field. We have a friend who grew up here with our
daughter who got a MA and is working (or has) the PHD, She stayed in
that field. She worked briefly in the prison business but there wasn't
much money in it. She was supplementing her salary hustling real
estate, then that business went to hell. She is now a professor at
Hodges University.

Not much money in the prison system????? What???? On what planet?

"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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Military tuition. Hmmm.. sounds socialist to me. Of course, we could
reeinstitute the draft. That'll motivate the kids. Sheesh.

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It was a benefit ... not unlike civilian companies that offer tuition
assistance for employees. It still exists except the program has
been halted due to the sequester. Education benefits under the GI
Bill (or whatever it's modern counterpart is called) is still in
force when you leave the military but the tuition assistance for
school while on active duty has been stopped .... hopefully
temporarily.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:40:11 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote:


Technology has not removed the need for people to wire houses, float
drywall and lay bricks.
Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work.

Yeah, there'll be so much demand for that why we can fuel our entire
future and compete with the rest of the world by fixing some engines,
wiring houses and laying bricks. Good god. Grow up.

Those are jobs that can't be exported.
Marissa Mayer did her employees a favor by making them show up at the
office. If she was willing to admit those jobs could be phoned in from
home, that home could be in India.

So what? We need a knowledge workforce not drones.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:13:17 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote:

Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work.

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Yes, and at $85+/hour.

Yeah, until one lands on your head.