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... In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:27:03 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:11:42 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:03:21 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:18:29 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more valuable once you own one. Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the limit when you want to buy one. Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators. Cite? Which state? You said Florida. You can just google this yourself if you want Try cost liquor license state I did, and posted the fees for Florida. You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every 10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market. The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which county you are talking about Only resale maybe. The license costs have already be documented, you're just trying to slime your way out of being wrong. That is the only place you can get a license unless you win it in the once a decade lottery. Which has nothing to do with getting a license from the state. Something you're trying to claim you never said. Well, as usual, you talk in generalities with no justification. It's like claiming that it costs hundreds of dollars to pay a round of golf. Well, yeah, if you including buying clubs. The license is a couple of grand maybe, depending on the type. Then when you get it you'll have an investment opportunity. Try making some sense next time. ========================== Depending on the county in California that couple of grand could be 100 grand. About 45 years ago, friend ran a liquor store in Concord, CA. He and wife had a great week. Went to Las Vegas and came back with a $1000 more than they left town with after all expenses, and they both entered the liquor license lotto. Both got drawn. At that time the lotto was about $200 to enter and I think the license was about $5000. You had to run the new store for a year before the license could be transferred to someone else. At that time a license in Contra Costa County sold for about $100,000, plus the store stock. I think there was about a 2% chance of winning in the lotto. That is the real cost of a license, not the state sold cost, which is near impossible to get. San Francisco licenses are actually cheap, and you can not transfer out of county. They are issued per number of residents and during WW2 SF had a huge population, so lots of licenses were issued. Much smaller population now, but number of licenses does not decrease. Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license. I love you're quoting something from 45 years ago... like that has any relevence. It's like saying the real cost of getting a license plate sticker includes the price of the car. Complete bs. You and Gretwel should get a room. Well that's pure horse**** that he wrote anyway. In CA every grocery store sells liquor. No need for liquor stores. ---------------- Grocery stores also have to have an off sale liquor license. So that gets them in the bidding wars also. |
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... In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:56:43 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Look up this thread a ways. I posted an article in the paper that was complaining that the economy has driven the price down from $400k to a mere $175k. http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/...y-alcohol-fee/ One county makes up the whole state???? From YOUR cite: In Florida, the state only gets money from the sale of a quota license when the license is first issued through the lottery system. The lottery winner pays a one-time fee of $10,750 in addition to the annual license cost I can go to one of the auction sites and see what the other counties are doing. I bet it is as expensive around Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa Bay and Orlando tho. You might be able to catch a deal and get one for $90,000 in Dixie County but I would not bet on it.. What part of "quota" are you having trouble understanding? If you could just go down to the county clerk and plop down $10,750 and get a license, why would anyone pay $175,000? (BTW that is exactly the 10X UA said couldn't happen) They only release new licenses after a census shows the quota can rise. That is the lottery I spoke of, typically once every 10 years. I suspect that as the economy improves, the prices will go up again. The above is speculation. These are the facts: First of all, you are only thinking about one type of Florida liquor license, the "quota license". The second liquor license Florida offers is an SRX, a special restaurant license that can be applied for year-round if 51 percent or more of sales at an establishment is food. FURTHERMORE, there are 54 subcategories of licenses based on the type of business you own. He http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html -------------------- And I bet the SRX is like an On Sale license in Calif. What the bars and restaurants have. They can sell wine and whiskey by the drink. You can not buy a bottle to go. Very different than a liquor store license. |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:18:57 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: You have never dealt with the welfare poor from what I see. They knew all the angles. We would hire welfare people to clean up the storage yard at times. Now these are 4 or 5th generation welfare recipients. Some would state they would work for free for us for the day if we gave them a check for say $350 and they would sign it back to us. Gave them enough income to go back on unemployment for 6 months. We never did, as against my principals. You should have just hired latinos. (the working guys, not the loafers). They would do a better job. I do understand that in California you have a lot of people coming over the border for free stuff but most of the Latinos here in Florida just come for a job. That is why my wife and I like them --------------------- We were in an area where the Latino's were not really available, and we always had to watch for INS in out business. |
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:22:10 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: What happened to the Social Liberal - Fiscal Conservative? Seems as if both parties are neither. They are Libertarians ---------------- Not really. |
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:27:49 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/23/13 11:09 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. You mean, like being a physician? We're friends with two of my wife's professors from grad school, two aging ladies in their 80s now who have done more and seen more than you or I have. For 40 years, they've run a series of orphanages in China and other countries in that area of the world, mostly for "unwanted" girl babies and toddlers, and those operations required frequent trips abroad and sometimes nasty confrontations with the various governments, including that of Red China. They recently retired as Professors Emeritus. Oh, they're nuns. How do your real life experiences compare? Another of my friends, a fellow who sadly recently died, was on the faculty of a major university in the MidWest and also was deeply involved in Polish efforts to remove the communist government there, and in similar anti-dictatorship movements in other parts of the country, such as El Salvador. He was shot several times and imprisoned twice aboard. How do your real life experiences compare to my university buddy? You're just anti-academia. Those are very unusual educators. My daughter's father in law agrees with me and he was a professor for 30 years (recently retired) I can give you his name offline, you may have some mutual acquaintances. He is the one that told me they do not teach you job skills. Your sample size was too small to reach any conclusions. |
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On 3/24/13 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:38:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. Teaching children is somehow less "real life experience" than, say, being an accountant how? If what you are telling them in the classroom is not relevant to what they see when they get their first job, they did not get the benefit of someone who has actually worked in that field. That's like telling an advertising copywriter he cannot write good copy about a feminine hygiene product because he personally doesn't use them. Of course he can. There's research available, there are women to interview, et cetera. What real world experience does a top level professor of theoretical physics require in order to be a better teacher? |
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says... On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:47:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license. They have a quota on those licenses and they are mostly sold in the private markets. I have already pointed out that occasionally the state ups the quota and you can get in the lottery for one but that is literally a crap shoot. http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html Do you actually read these links "HOW CAN I OBTAIN A LICENSE TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES? A retail liquor license for use in a package store, bar, or small restaurant must be purchased from a present quota license owner." What part of "must be purchased from a present quota license owner." is hard to understand. Holy ****!!!!! Did you even SEE the other *54* WAYS to obtain one? |
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On 3/24/2013 8:33 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/24/13 12:52 AM, wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:38:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. Teaching children is somehow less "real life experience" than, say, being an accountant how? If what you are telling them in the classroom is not relevant to what they see when they get their first job, they did not get the benefit of someone who has actually worked in that field. That's like telling an advertising copywriter he cannot write good copy about a feminine hygiene product because he personally doesn't use them. Of course he can. There's research available, there are women to interview, et cetera. What real world experience does a top level professor of theoretical physics require in order to be a better teacher? Here you go dummy. http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=1532 |
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:40:55 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: You should have just hired latinos. (the working guys, not the loafers). They would do a better job. I do understand that in California you have a lot of people coming over the border for free stuff but most of the Latinos here in Florida just come for a job. That is why my wife and I like them --------------------- We were in an area where the Latino's were not really available, and we always had to watch for INS in out business. That is a huge problem here too. The papers these guys have are perfect and they have a way of tricking E-verify. There are still plenty of legal folks tho. You just have to do your due diligence and hope it all works out. ------------------ we were hiring temp, casual labor. Our drivers were legal. Some worthless, but legal. |
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... On 3/24/13 12:47 AM, wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:27:49 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/23/13 11:09 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. You mean, like being a physician? We're friends with two of my wife's professors from grad school, two aging ladies in their 80s now who have done more and seen more than you or I have. For 40 years, they've run a series of orphanages in China and other countries in that area of the world, mostly for "unwanted" girl babies and toddlers, and those operations required frequent trips abroad and sometimes nasty confrontations with the various governments, including that of Red China. They recently retired as Professors Emeritus. Oh, they're nuns. How do your real life experiences compare? Another of my friends, a fellow who sadly recently died, was on the faculty of a major university in the MidWest and also was deeply involved in Polish efforts to remove the communist government there, and in similar anti-dictatorship movements in other parts of the country, such as El Salvador. He was shot several times and imprisoned twice aboard. How do your real life experiences compare to my university buddy? You're just anti-academia. Those are very unusual educators. My daughter's father in law agrees with me and he was a professor for 30 years (recently retired) I can give you his name offline, you may have some mutual acquaintances. He is the one that told me they do not teach you job skills. Your sample size was too small to reach any conclusions. ---------------- I will add my step father. College professor / teacher from when he graduated UCB and Cornell. He could not have held a real job. |
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On 3/24/13 10:03 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:40:55 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: You should have just hired latinos. (the working guys, not the loafers). They would do a better job. I do understand that in California you have a lot of people coming over the border for free stuff but most of the Latinos here in Florida just come for a job. That is why my wife and I like them --------------------- We were in an area where the Latino's were not really available, and we always had to watch for INS in out business. That is a huge problem here too. The papers these guys have are perfect and they have a way of tricking E-verify. There are still plenty of legal folks tho. You just have to do your due diligence and hope it all works out. ------------------ we were hiring temp, casual labor. Our drivers were legal. Some worthless, but legal. The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. |
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On 3/24/13 10:05 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 3/24/13 12:47 AM, wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 11:27:49 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/23/13 11:09 AM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. You mean, like being a physician? We're friends with two of my wife's professors from grad school, two aging ladies in their 80s now who have done more and seen more than you or I have. For 40 years, they've run a series of orphanages in China and other countries in that area of the world, mostly for "unwanted" girl babies and toddlers, and those operations required frequent trips abroad and sometimes nasty confrontations with the various governments, including that of Red China. They recently retired as Professors Emeritus. Oh, they're nuns. How do your real life experiences compare? Another of my friends, a fellow who sadly recently died, was on the faculty of a major university in the MidWest and also was deeply involved in Polish efforts to remove the communist government there, and in similar anti-dictatorship movements in other parts of the country, such as El Salvador. He was shot several times and imprisoned twice aboard. How do your real life experiences compare to my university buddy? You're just anti-academia. Those are very unusual educators. My daughter's father in law agrees with me and he was a professor for 30 years (recently retired) I can give you his name offline, you may have some mutual acquaintances. He is the one that told me they do not teach you job skills. Your sample size was too small to reach any conclusions. ---------------- I will add my step father. College professor / teacher from when he graduated UCB and Cornell. He could not have held a real job. Teaching isn't a real job? Absurd. |
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:06:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 3/24/13 10:03 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:40:55 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: You should have just hired latinos. (the working guys, not the loafers). They would do a better job. I do understand that in California you have a lot of people coming over the border for free stuff but most of the Latinos here in Florida just come for a job. That is why my wife and I like them --------------------- We were in an area where the Latino's were not really available, and we always had to watch for INS in out business. That is a huge problem here too. The papers these guys have are perfect and they have a way of tricking E-verify. There are still plenty of legal folks tho. You just have to do your due diligence and hope it all works out. ------------------ we were hiring temp, casual labor. Our drivers were legal. Some worthless, but legal. The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. Primarily because they're the *only* working people on the sites. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. |
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On 3/24/13 11:19 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:33:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/24/13 12:52 AM, wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:38:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. Teaching children is somehow less "real life experience" than, say, being an accountant how? If what you are telling them in the classroom is not relevant to what they see when they get their first job, they did not get the benefit of someone who has actually worked in that field. That's like telling an advertising copywriter he cannot write good copy about a feminine hygiene product because he personally doesn't use them. Of course he can. There's research available, there are women to interview, et cetera. What real world experience does a top level professor of theoretical physics require in order to be a better teacher? I suppose the question ends up being, how many people can actually make a living in theoretical physics? This topic is about people who got out of college with a crushing debt and can't find a job. Be that as it may, it has nothing to do with whether a classroom teacher has what you consider "real life experience." |
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On 3/24/13 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:09:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. Primarily because they're the *only* working people on the sites. Salmonbait Really? No one else on any construction site works other than Latinos? They are the ones who are not updating their twitter feed and texting with their girl friends all day. Anglo kids really just do not want to do this work and it is reflected in their productivity. When we did our addition I wanted to avoid any drywall so it is concrete block and stucco on both sides. I had a Mexican guy who finished the inside walls so smooth you would really believe it was skim coated drywall. After the crash, when most of the Mexicans went home, I had the "boss" of that crew (anglo) come back and recoat a wall because I had cut a door in it and made a window smaller. All I can say is, it's a good thing we went with a underwater paint scheme because the "waves" are in the stucco. Your comments about twittering and "Anglo" kids are absurd. There are plenty of highly qualified plasterers of all ethnic backgrounds. If you don't have any in your area, it is because your contractors forced them out of the job market by hiring possibly undocumented foreign workers willing to work for much less, without benefits, in our country's dive to the bottom. The contractor who handles our heavy yard work and, when we have snow, plowing, is Mexican. His crews are comprised of Mexicans and "Anglos." They all work very hard. I'm sure most of them have girlfriends, too. A few college-level stat courses taught by one of those ivory towered professors might cure you of trying to draw universal truths from too few data points. :) |
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:49:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 3/24/13 11:36 AM, wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:09:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. Primarily because they're the *only* working people on the sites. Salmonbait Really? No one else on any construction site works other than Latinos? They are the ones who are not updating their twitter feed and texting with their girl friends all day. Anglo kids really just do not want to do this work and it is reflected in their productivity. When we did our addition I wanted to avoid any drywall so it is concrete block and stucco on both sides. I had a Mexican guy who finished the inside walls so smooth you would really believe it was skim coated drywall. After the crash, when most of the Mexicans went home, I had the "boss" of that crew (anglo) come back and recoat a wall because I had cut a door in it and made a window smaller. All I can say is, it's a good thing we went with a underwater paint scheme because the "waves" are in the stucco. Your comments about twittering and "Anglo" kids are absurd. There are plenty of highly qualified plasterers of all ethnic backgrounds. If you don't have any in your area, it is because your contractors forced them out of the job market by hiring possibly undocumented foreign workers willing to work for much less, without benefits, in our country's dive to the bottom. No ****. That's the whole point. Perhaps if there were fewer millions of 'undocumented foreign workers' (sic), that is, illegal aliens, running around, there'd be more jobs available for those forced out of the job market. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. |
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says... On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 08:33:21 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/24/13 12:52 AM, wrote: On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:38:03 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life experience." Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the worst examples of vertical integration in the world. Teaching children is somehow less "real life experience" than, say, being an accountant how? If what you are telling them in the classroom is not relevant to what they see when they get their first job, they did not get the benefit of someone who has actually worked in that field. That's like telling an advertising copywriter he cannot write good copy about a feminine hygiene product because he personally doesn't use them. Of course he can. There's research available, there are women to interview, et cetera. What real world experience does a top level professor of theoretical physics require in order to be a better teacher? I suppose the question ends up being, how many people can actually make a living in theoretical physics? Quite a few. Many, many courses such as that translate well into fields that you'd never imagine, medicine, different types of engineering, and on and on. After all, the study of physics IS the study of matter and that entails everything around us. |
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says... On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:47:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license. They have a quota on those licenses and they are mostly sold in the private markets. I have already pointed out that occasionally the state ups the quota and you can get in the lottery for one but that is literally a crap shoot. http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html Do you actually read these links "HOW CAN I OBTAIN A LICENSE TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES? A retail liquor license for use in a package store, bar, or small restaurant must be purchased from a present quota license owner." What part of "must be purchased from a present quota license owner." is hard to understand. Holy ****!!!!! Did you even SEE the other *54* WAYS to obtain one? None of them would allow you to own a liquor store Bull****. |
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says... On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:49:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/24/13 11:36 AM, wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:09:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. Primarily because they're the *only* working people on the sites. Salmonbait Really? No one else on any construction site works other than Latinos? They are the ones who are not updating their twitter feed and texting with their girl friends all day. Anglo kids really just do not want to do this work and it is reflected in their productivity. When we did our addition I wanted to avoid any drywall so it is concrete block and stucco on both sides. I had a Mexican guy who finished the inside walls so smooth you would really believe it was skim coated drywall. After the crash, when most of the Mexicans went home, I had the "boss" of that crew (anglo) come back and recoat a wall because I had cut a door in it and made a window smaller. All I can say is, it's a good thing we went with a underwater paint scheme because the "waves" are in the stucco. Your comments about twittering and "Anglo" kids are absurd. There are plenty of highly qualified plasterers of all ethnic backgrounds. If you don't have any in your area, it is because your contractors forced them out of the job market by hiring possibly undocumented foreign workers willing to work for much less, without benefits, in our country's dive to the bottom. No ****. That's the whole point. Perhaps if there were fewer millions of 'undocumented foreign workers' (sic), that is, illegal aliens, running around, there'd be more jobs available for those forced out of the job market. Salmonbait But, but, Greg just said that the "Anglos" don't want the jobs..... |
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On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 09:09:36 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 12:47:46 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license. They have a quota on those licenses and they are mostly sold in the private markets. I have already pointed out that occasionally the state ups the quota and you can get in the lottery for one but that is literally a crap shoot. http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html Do you actually read these links "HOW CAN I OBTAIN A LICENSE TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES? A retail liquor license for use in a package store, bar, or small restaurant must be purchased from a present quota license owner." What part of "must be purchased from a present quota license owner." is hard to understand. Holy ****!!!!! Did you even SEE the other *54* WAYS to obtain one? None of them would allow you to own a liquor store ------------------- You could own a liquor store. As the landlord, but not selling liquor legally. |
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On 3/24/2013 10:38 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:06:15 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/24/13 10:03 AM, Califbill wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:40:55 -0700, "Califbill" wrote: You should have just hired latinos. (the working guys, not the loafers). They would do a better job. I do understand that in California you have a lot of people coming over the border for free stuff but most of the Latinos here in Florida just come for a job. That is why my wife and I like them --------------------- We were in an area where the Latino's were not really available, and we always had to watch for INS in out business. That is a huge problem here too. The papers these guys have are perfect and they have a way of tricking E-verify. There are still plenty of legal folks tho. You just have to do your due diligence and hope it all works out. ------------------ we were hiring temp, casual labor. Our drivers were legal. Some worthless, but legal. The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. Primarily because they're the *only* working people on the sites. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. They work for 1/4 union scale and output 3 times the work. |
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says... On 3/24/13 11:36 AM, wrote: On Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:09:31 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... The hardest working people I see on residential construction sites around here are Latinos. Primarily because they're the *only* working people on the sites. Salmonbait Really? No one else on any construction site works other than Latinos? They are the ones who are not updating their twitter feed and texting with their girl friends all day. Anglo kids really just do not want to do this work and it is reflected in their productivity. When we did our addition I wanted to avoid any drywall so it is concrete block and stucco on both sides. I had a Mexican guy who finished the inside walls so smooth you would really believe it was skim coated drywall. After the crash, when most of the Mexicans went home, I had the "boss" of that crew (anglo) come back and recoat a wall because I had cut a door in it and made a window smaller. All I can say is, it's a good thing we went with a underwater paint scheme because the "waves" are in the stucco. Your comments about twittering and "Anglo" kids are absurd. There are plenty of highly qualified plasterers of all ethnic backgrounds. If you don't have any in your area, it is because your contractors forced them out of the job market by hiring possibly undocumented foreign workers willing to work for much less, without benefits, in our country's dive to the bottom. The contractor who handles our heavy yard work and, when we have snow, plowing, is Mexican. His crews are comprised of Mexicans and "Anglos." They all work very hard. I'm sure most of them have girlfriends, too. A few college-level stat courses taught by one of those ivory towered professors might cure you of trying to draw universal truths from too few data points. :) This anti-"Anglo youth" thing of Greg's is pretty crazy. Probably due his wife's history of squeezing undocumented Latinos for cheap work. Work hard for cheap with the implicit threat of ICE hanging over your head. Money in Greg's pocket. Almost everything is economic unless you rise above it. Most find that difficult, including me. But I don't let it shade my sense of reality. Kids of all ethnic backgrounds are a product of their parents and their economic background. Greg seems to think Mexicans have a special "work gene." Crazy stuff. Then uses an example of an "Anglo boss" not doing as good a job as a guy who is more practiced, and maybe just more skilled, to "prove" it. He doesn't understand it's all about demographics and getting the cheapest labor. Networking too, which is just as important in the "unskilled" world as it is elsewhere. Bossman needs 3 more workers. Does he put an ad in the paper? If he's only half smart he goes to his good workers and has them recruit for him. Win-win. Of course Greg expects an Anglo citizen to work cheaply alongside the undocumented Mexicans, learn Spanish, and keep his head down. That would work if he could deport the Anglo citizen. He can't. It's some crazy "racist' stuff, essentially saying that "Anglos" have no work ethic. If it wasn't so incredibly stupid, I would resent it. As an aside, where undocumented workers are absent, things aren't falling apart. Citizens of all ethnic backgrounds do the jobs just fine. But generally the cost of living is higher. There's nothing conclusive that I've seen, but I suspect that an illegal work force will increase crime of the area they exist within. Not because the "illegals" themselves are committing crime, but because more citizens fall into poverty due to jobs being taken, and turn to crime. But that's just my speculation, and I might be wrong. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Monday, March 25, 2013 11:46:07 AM UTC-4, wrote:
OTOH my wife's country club has a health care plan for employees, even the landscape guys. They have a 401k program with employer match. I am amazed at the number of people who won't participate., As a CPA, my wife has seen first hand how these kinds of workers treat their 401k's when they participate. They use them as saving accounts, taking money out of them all the time. Even some fairly well paid workers. |
Brewing economic scandal
On 3/25/13 7:35 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:40:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/25/13 1:20 PM, wrote: The smaller operations are usually SPs and they don't have much in the way of benefits. I am sure it is the same way up there. I know when I put on an addition in the mid 70s (Clinton Md), the concrete/masonry contractor was a family business and the guy who ran my gutters was a one man show. I did the rest myself. My nieces hubby worked for Ryan Homes a while and he did not get any benefits but the operating engineers covered him. Basically, we are devolving into a pensionless, healthcareless society of day workers. A 401k is not a defined benefit pension plan. I think the demographics of the baby boomers is threatening all of the pension plans, including SS. I am still wondering what happens to the equities market when the boomers cash out their 401k and we really start seeing pressure on the defined benefit pension plans? That is money leaving the market and will not return/ I don't see much of a future for this country with a disenfranchised middle class working at lower wages with no prospect of any sort of retirement. A society that exists only for the very wealthy cannot and should not survive. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:35:17 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:40:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/25/13 1:20 PM, wrote: The smaller operations are usually SPs and they don't have much in the way of benefits. I am sure it is the same way up there. I know when I put on an addition in the mid 70s (Clinton Md), the concrete/masonry contractor was a family business and the guy who ran my gutters was a one man show. I did the rest myself. My nieces hubby worked for Ryan Homes a while and he did not get any benefits but the operating engineers covered him. Basically, we are devolving into a pensionless, healthcareless society of day workers. A 401k is not a defined benefit pension plan. I think the demographics of the baby boomers is threatening all of the pension plans, including SS. "Threatening" isn't the right word. I suppose the solution is to just cut us all off? I still haven't seen one ****ing honest proposal from the right to fix whatever problems there are. I am still wondering what happens to the equities market when the boomers cash out their 401k and we really start seeing pressure on the defined benefit pension plans? That is money leaving the market and will not return/ The sky isn't falling chicken little. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:24:03 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:07:03 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 19:35:17 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 15:40:10 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/25/13 1:20 PM, wrote: The smaller operations are usually SPs and they don't have much in the way of benefits. I am sure it is the same way up there. I know when I put on an addition in the mid 70s (Clinton Md), the concrete/masonry contractor was a family business and the guy who ran my gutters was a one man show. I did the rest myself. My nieces hubby worked for Ryan Homes a while and he did not get any benefits but the operating engineers covered him. Basically, we are devolving into a pensionless, healthcareless society of day workers. A 401k is not a defined benefit pension plan. I think the demographics of the baby boomers is threatening all of the pension plans, including SS. "Threatening" isn't the right word. I suppose the solution is to just cut us all off? I still haven't seen one ****ing honest proposal from the right to fix whatever problems there are. I agree, nobody in Washington really even acknowledges there is a problem. They just keep kicking the can down the road. There's a long-term problem, and everyone of note acknowledges that. There is no short-term crisis. I am still wondering what happens to the equities market when the boomers cash out their 401k and we really start seeing pressure on the defined benefit pension plans? That is money leaving the market and will not return/ The sky isn't falling chicken little. Okey Dokey, if you say so. I say it along with all the non-crazies. |
Brewing economic scandal
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Brewing economic scandal
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:45:09 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:59:17 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:11:08 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:59:22 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The sky isn't falling chicken little. Okey Dokey, if you say so. I say it along with all the non-crazies. So you really think the government can survive with a revenue stream that barely covers the entitlements and interest on the debt with virtually zero percent interest and 70-80 million boomers coming into the SS/C system in the next decade. I really think that the problems will get solved in whole or in part as time goes on. Another kick of the can. So, if a problem can't get solved IMMEDIATELY and requires some thought, negotiation, or patience, then it's kick the can, and **** all that. Let's just blunder in and fix it. How moronic can you get. The only reason interest rates are low is because the fed is buying up all the unsold paper with money they create out of thin air. That can't go on forever. And there're no plans for it to go on "forever". Who's saying that? Oh, you are. I forgot. Did you hear the plan? I didn't. It's called negotiation and testing. You weren't listening. The GOP doesn't want to raise any taxes and the democrats only want to tax rich people. There is just not enough money there. Bill Clinton even said it. Huh? I guess you didn't see all the compromising that went on. Clinton said what? I'm betting its either old or out of context for this. It was exactly in context. He was responding to the question of whether taxing the rich more would solve our problems. His point was everyone's taxes needed to go up, at least to the rates in his administration. Democrats don't even support that position. Taxing the rich is a good start. Taxing the middle class is doable, but only in a strong economy. That's the context. Dems don't support taxing the middle class NOW. Korea may get us in a war with the Chinese but we would have to borrow the money from them to do it ... think about it. Korea? What the **** does that have to do with SS? Not a ****ing thing, but it sounds good. Wars are expensive. The entitlements and interest on the debt consumes all we collect right now. The money has to come from somewhere. Like during WW2? Oh yeah, it's called deficit spending. They sequestered a measly 85 billion and we had to withdraw a carrier battle group. (or so we were told) Yep, that's your thing... $85B on the backs of people who can least afford it. That's GOP. How much do you think a gesture that would impress the Koreans will cost ... or are we just going to let them (and the Chinese) kick us out of the western Pacific? Whooo.... you're quite the war monger all of a sudden. Unfortunately, you're not as well read as you claim. The Chinese are already encroaching on Japanese (Senkakus) and Philippine (Spratly Islands) territory. Now N Korea has virtually declared war on the south, abrogating the peace treaty. Holy ****! The nukes are already flying. Or not. Yeah, things are going to be fine. Sleep tight. Things are going to be fine. I do sleep fine. Clearly you don't. I am certainly concerned. I have already lived through 2 major wars in Asia. The lesson being we might as well be paranoid in the extreme. I also understand we are still saber rattling in the middle east. What do we do about Iran in all of this? Continue the pressure. All options on the table. The fact that we are broke just empowers these people. We will have to borrow money from China to have a war with them. We are not ****ing broke. Money is flowing into the US not out. Everyone wants in for their money. Interest rates are cheap. We need to spend some on our citizens and get the infrastructure fixed. As I said, the ****ing sky is not ****ing falling. Go back to sleep. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:51:59 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 10:16:51 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 12:45:09 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:59:17 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:11:08 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:59:22 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The sky isn't falling chicken little. Okey Dokey, if you say so. I say it along with all the non-crazies. So you really think the government can survive with a revenue stream that barely covers the entitlements and interest on the debt with virtually zero percent interest and 70-80 million boomers coming into the SS/C system in the next decade. I really think that the problems will get solved in whole or in part as time goes on. Another kick of the can. So, if a problem can't get solved IMMEDIATELY and requires some thought, negotiation, or patience, then it's kick the can, and **** all that. Let's just blunder in and fix it. How moronic can you get. What are they waiting for? When this blows up in our face it will happen suddenly, like all of these other bad things have happened. Why can't we get out on front of a problem for a change instead of government by "freak out" I think that's the point. The right wing isn't waiting. They're actively trying to gut the safety net programs. The moderates on both sides are trying to prevent that, along with the left. The right lost the argument in the last election, but they won't go down without a fight. What happens if we get to a point that we can't just borrow our way out of our problems? That day is quite a ways off especially with all the uncertainty in the rest of the world. We're the safe haven. The only reason interest rates are low is because the fed is buying up all the unsold paper with money they create out of thin air. That can't go on forever. And there're no plans for it to go on "forever". Who's saying that? Oh, you are. I forgot. Did you hear the plan? I didn't. It's called negotiation and testing. You weren't listening. I am listening, what did you hear that I didn't? That there are several fixes being discussed. We just need to tamp down the noisey bs from the extreme right. Turn down Fox. :-) The GOP doesn't want to raise any taxes and the democrats only want to tax rich people. There is just not enough money there. Bill Clinton even said it. Huh? I guess you didn't see all the compromising that went on. Clinton said what? I'm betting its either old or out of context for this. It was exactly in context. He was responding to the question of whether taxing the rich more would solve our problems. His point was everyone's taxes needed to go up, at least to the rates in his administration. Democrats don't even support that position. Taxing the rich is a good start. Taxing the middle class is doable, but only in a strong economy. That's the context. Dems don't support taxing the middle class NOW. Kick that can again and just hope things get better ... OK, that is what I said. It's not kicking the can if there are serious people doing serious work. You think nothing is happening but that's clearly not the case. Korea may get us in a war with the Chinese but we would have to borrow the money from them to do it ... think about it. Korea? What the **** does that have to do with SS? Not a ****ing thing, but it sounds good. Wars are expensive. The entitlements and interest on the debt consumes all we collect right now. The money has to come from somewhere. Like during WW2? Oh yeah, it's called deficit spending. The problem with that theory is we are already spending 160% of what we make. Our debt to GDP ratio is almost as bad as it was in 1944 and we haven't even started this war (or started to pay down the last two) That's nonsense... Here's an opinion: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ebt-hype_n.htm Some facts: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2417...debt-1791-2010 Anything leap out at you? They sequestered a measly 85 billion and we had to withdraw a carrier battle group. (or so we were told) Yep, that's your thing... $85B on the backs of people who can least afford it. That's GOP. It is going to land on everyone. It's mostly going to land on middle and low wage earners and the poor. How much do you think a gesture that would impress the Koreans will cost ... or are we just going to let them (and the Chinese) kick us out of the western Pacific? Whooo.... you're quite the war monger all of a sudden. Unfortunately, you're not as well read as you claim. I am not in favor of having a war with anyone but when do you think we should do it? You seem to think Afghanistan was OK and they never threatened us at all. Actually, you made that argument not me. I think we were justified to go into Afg. and not Iraq. Bush ****ed us over by not focusing on the target. N K is talking about attacking US bases in Asia. NK talks a lot. They don't do much. The Chinese are already encroaching on Japanese (Senkakus) and Philippine (Spratly Islands) territory. Now N Korea has virtually declared war on the south, abrogating the peace treaty. Holy ****! The nukes are already flying. Or not. If this is just noise, so be it but I do not have much confidence that these guys are getting good leadership. Which guys? You think China wants a war over NK or Japan and some crappy uninhabited dung heap of an island? Or they're really going to try and be aggressive on the high seas with the US breathing down their necks? China's around for the long-haul. They don't want a shooting war and neither do we. Yeah, things are going to be fine. Sleep tight. Things are going to be fine. I do sleep fine. Clearly you don't. I am certainly concerned. I have already lived through 2 major wars in Asia. The lesson being we might as well be paranoid in the extreme. I also understand we are still saber rattling in the middle east. What do we do about Iran in all of this? Continue the pressure. All options on the table. OK so we attack Iran to protect Israel. Do we attack NK to protect South Korea? Maybe. You think NK can actually deploy it on short notice? I don't think either will happen. Bear in mind who already HAS the bomb. The fact that we are broke just empowers these people. We will have to borrow money from China to have a war with them. We are not ****ing broke. Money is flowing into the US not out. Bull****, we have a $110B trade deficit. The money coming back is LOANED to us, not paid to us. http://ycharts.com/indicators/us_trade_deficit_monthly Less than half that. And, the money coming is absolutely lent to us... at very, very attractive rates... approaching zero. Everyone wants in for their money. Interest rates are cheap. We need to spend some on our citizens and get the infrastructure fixed. You already said, the fed can't keep printing money to hold the interest rates down. Yet we are still driving full speed towards the cliff, thinking it will go on forever. We are not. That's sky is falling right wing bull****. As I said, the ****ing sky is not ****ing falling. Go back to sleep. I hope you are right. Well that's the ****ing point. You don't know. But you'd rather have a freak out than look at facts and make an honest intellectual judgement about the liklihood of events. |
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Brewing economic scandal
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:53:09 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:41:54 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:05:09 -0400, wrote: The point is we are talking like the sequester is the end of the world (laying off cops, turning prisoners loose, slashing education budgets, withdrawing a carrier group and stopping the white house tours) and it only represents about a half a point rise in interest rates, not much when they are very low now.. Never said end of the world. Said bad thing, unnecessary, and the consequences are just starting to hit. All of it at the Republican doorstep. Again, you said the effect of a half point interest rate hike was "not much" but that is more than the sequester which is a "bad thing" according to you, called a "fiscal cliff" by just about everyone else. Huh? I never commented on anything related to "half point". That's your bull****. The sequester is good in your little brain but not many other places. |
Brewing economic scandal
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On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:11:08 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:59:22 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: The sky isn't falling chicken little. Okey Dokey, if you say so. I say it along with all the non-crazies. So you really think the government can survive with a revenue stream that barely covers the entitlements and interest on the debt with virtually zero percent interest and 70-80 million boomers coming into the SS/C system in the next decade. I really think that the problems will get solved in whole or in part as time goes on. Continuing to kick the can down the road isn't going to solve anything. The only reason interest rates are low is because the fed is buying up all the unsold paper with money they create out of thin air. That can't go on forever. And there're no plans for it to go on "forever". Who's saying that? Oh, you are. I forgot. If it stops then we have an even bigger problem because we will have an unmet need, our need to borrow money with nobody to lend it to us. Do you really believe that other emergine 1st world nations are not going to use us as a case study on how not to bankrupt a nation? We are in trouble and we refuse to acknowledge it. The GOP doesn't want to raise any taxes and the democrats only want to tax rich people. There is just not enough money there. Bill Clinton even said it. Huh? I guess you didn't see all the compromising that went on. Clinton said what? I'm betting its either old or out of context for this. Korea may get us in a war with the Chinese but we would have to borrow the money from them to do it ... think about it. Korea? What the **** does that have to do with SS? Not a ****ing thing, but it sounds good. China is funding our spending. If we go to war with China or if we **** off China they will call their loans and our credit will go from its current not great to less than junk status in a matter of hours. At that time we will find out who our friends are in this world of nations. Yeah, things are going to be fine. Sleep tight. Things are going to be fine. I do sleep fine. Clearly you don't. The world is a dangerous place and it will always be a dangerous place. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:28:00 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:46:59 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:53:09 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:41:54 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:05:09 -0400, wrote: The point is we are talking like the sequester is the end of the world (laying off cops, turning prisoners loose, slashing education budgets, withdrawing a carrier group and stopping the white house tours) and it only represents about a half a point rise in interest rates, not much when they are very low now.. Never said end of the world. Said bad thing, unnecessary, and the consequences are just starting to hit. All of it at the Republican doorstep. Again, you said the effect of a half point interest rate hike was "not much" but that is more than the sequester which is a "bad thing" according to you, called a "fiscal cliff" by just about everyone else. Huh? I never commented on anything related to "half point". That's your bull****. The sequester is good in your little brain but not many other places. You even quoted the half point reference in this response, now you don't remember? Step away from the bong and sober up. You're the dumb**** drinker. |
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