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True North[_2_] March 20th 13 12:40 PM

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On Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:53:25 UTC-3, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:



kevin, harry, don, and jps are cut from exactly the same mold...


Really??
You and e#c are so alike it's scary.
You are an exact MiniMe clone of him... neither of you work, you live off your wives, both love to post personal information about other posters, are disruptive, crazy as a bedbug etc, etc.


True North[_2_] March 20th 13 12:44 PM

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On Wednesday, 20 March 2013 09:40:59 UTC-3, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:53:25 UTC-3, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:







kevin, harry, don, and jps are cut from exactly the same mold...




Really??

You and e#c are so alike it's scary.

You are an exact MiniMe clone of him... neither of you work, you live off your wives, both love to post personal information about other posters, are disruptive, crazy as a bedbug etc, etc.



Oh yeah.. you both fanticize about your lives..you think you're riding your daughter's coat tails to the big time in motorcycle racing and he thinks he's some kind of musician.

F.O.A.D. March 20th 13 12:48 PM

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On 3/20/13 8:40 AM, True North wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:53:25 UTC-3, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:



kevin, harry, don, and jps are cut from exactly the same mold...


Really??
You and e#c are so alike it's scary.
You are an exact MiniMe clone of him... neither of you work, you live off your wives, both love to post personal information about other posters, are disruptive, crazy as a bedbug etc, etc.


I've filtered out the Canadian "Scotty", since his posts are so stupid
even my screen watching cat zones out when she sees his handle. I still
see the Connecticut "Scotty", because he's just nuts, and it's the best
entertainment in wrecked.boats to see what craziness he'll post next.

I wonder how that blackmail bull**** is working out for him.

iBoaterer[_3_] March 20th 13 01:10 PM

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In article ,
says...

On 3/20/2013 7:48 AM, amdx wrote:
On 3/18/2013 6:29 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:46:22 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx
wrote:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html


Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same
philosophy of
the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college
education so
we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges
see
this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at
consumables,
like text books, insanely costly.


You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in
college
costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was
so wrong
I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare
inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different.
Mikek


You're a ****in idiot.

You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're
still mad.

You are one stupid ****.

Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke!
Mikek


Then take your meds you ****ing moron. Never heard of taking personal
responsibility? I thought that's what all your freaks insist on.

Does your anger ever end?
Please relax, find peace within. Stop and smell the roses.
Does calling others negative names improve your self esteem?
Are you angry that others would take personal responsibility?
You seem to put a negative spin on personal responsibility.
Have a great day, Mikek


kevin, harry, don, and jps are cut from exactly the same mold...


There's that "intolerance and hate" you whined about!!

F.O.A.D. March 20th 13 01:34 PM

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wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:05:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/19/13 12:00 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:14:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm pretty sure you cannot "end up being a professor" in the traditional
sense of that word without a Ph.D. A Master's degree, while a
significant achievement, is not the academic qualifier required for
being a professor.

I bet that is true.
They buy what they sell.



Just love the disdain shown here so often for academic achievement.


Sometimes it is justified.
The local college was looking for someone to manage the dorm expansion
project. They rejected my wife and another experienced construction
manager in favor of a guy with a masters degree in construction
management (and zero experience). Now the project is running almost a
year behind schedule and the cost overruns are piling up.

They hired what they sold, not what they needed.


That could have happened for reasons that have nothing to do with the
construction manager.

F.O.A.D. March 20th 13 02:07 PM

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On 3/20/13 10:01 AM, wrote:
On 20 Mar 2013 13:34:06 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:05:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/19/13 12:00 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:14:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm pretty sure you cannot "end up being a professor" in the traditional
sense of that word without a Ph.D. A Master's degree, while a
significant achievement, is not the academic qualifier required for
being a professor.

I bet that is true.
They buy what they sell.



Just love the disdain shown here so often for academic achievement.

Sometimes it is justified.
The local college was looking for someone to manage the dorm expansion
project. They rejected my wife and another experienced construction
manager in favor of a guy with a masters degree in construction
management (and zero experience). Now the project is running almost a
year behind schedule and the cost overruns are piling up.

They hired what they sold, not what they needed.


That could have happened for reasons that have nothing to do with the
construction manager.


That is why you hire a construction manager, to be sure those things
don't happen.


That's silly and you know it. All sorts of unexpected **** can happen on
commercial construction sites, and many times for inexplicable
challenges that are not easily resolved by a CM or anyone else.

F.O.A.D. March 20th 13 05:42 PM

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On 3/20/13 12:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:07:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/20/13 10:01 AM,
wrote:
. Now the project is running almost a
year behind schedule and the cost overruns are piling up.

They hired what they sold, not what they needed.

That could have happened for reasons that have nothing to do with the
construction manager.

That is why you hire a construction manager, to be sure those things
don't happen.


That's silly and you know it. All sorts of unexpected **** can happen on
commercial construction sites, and many times for inexplicable
challenges that are not easily resolved by a CM or anyone else.


Experience with local contractors and conditions is more valuable than
anything you get from a book. There as also simply the experience you
get from actually managing people.



I wouldn't argue against your point, and you're not arguing against mine.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 05:57 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:48:30 -0500, amdx
wrote:

On 3/18/2013 6:29 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:46:22 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx
wrote:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html

Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same philosophy of
the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college education so
we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges see
this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at consumables,
like text books, insanely costly.


You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in college
costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was so wrong
I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare
inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different.
Mikek


You're a ****in idiot.

You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're
still mad.

You are one stupid ****.

Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke!
Mikek


Then take your meds you ****ing moron. Never heard of taking personal
responsibility? I thought that's what all your freaks insist on.

Does your anger ever end?
Please relax, find peace within. Stop and smell the roses.
Does calling others negative names improve your self esteem?
Are you angry that others would take personal responsibility?
You seem to put a negative spin on personal responsibility.
Have a great day, Mikek


I may have a negative spin on personal responsibility, but you have no
personality beyond what you've received from Rush.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 05:58 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 07:53:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 3/20/2013 7:48 AM, amdx wrote:
On 3/18/2013 6:29 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:46:22 -0500, amdx wrote:

On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx
wrote:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html


Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same
philosophy of
the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college
education so
we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges
see
this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at
consumables,
like text books, insanely costly.


You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in
college
costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was
so wrong
I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare
inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different.
Mikek


You're a ****in idiot.

You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're
still mad.

You are one stupid ****.

Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke!
Mikek


Then take your meds you ****ing moron. Never heard of taking personal
responsibility? I thought that's what all your freaks insist on.

Does your anger ever end?
Please relax, find peace within. Stop and smell the roses.
Does calling others negative names improve your self esteem?
Are you angry that others would take personal responsibility?
You seem to put a negative spin on personal responsibility.
Have a great day, Mikek


kevin, harry, don, and jps are cut from exactly the same mold...


You are exactly a liar and a ****. What's your point?

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 05:59 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:19:55 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:20:40 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Conversely, I've known people who barely made it out of high school
apply themselves in work endeavors with tenacity, making themselves
very valuable employees in the process.

Not knocking college. It's a valuable key to one's career, but it's
not the only key.


====

Absolutely right. Education and knowledge are only valuable to the
extent that you can use them effectively to accomplish something else.

Almost everyone has met an educated fool at one time or another.


And, almost everyone has met an incompetent uneducated fool at one
time or another. Not much of a point either way.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 06:00 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:29:01 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:05:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/19/13 12:00 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:14:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm pretty sure you cannot "end up being a professor" in the traditional
sense of that word without a Ph.D. A Master's degree, while a
significant achievement, is not the academic qualifier required for
being a professor.

I bet that is true.
They buy what they sell.



Just love the disdain shown here so often for academic achievement.


Sometimes it is justified.


And mostly it isn't. It's just an anti-education view point.

The local college was looking for someone to manage the dorm expansion
project. They rejected my wife and another experienced construction
manager in favor of a guy with a masters degree in construction
management (and zero experience). Now the project is running almost a
year behind schedule and the cost overruns are piling up.

They hired what they sold, not what they needed.


Thus the ancedote is the general case. Which it isn't. Of course, it
always comes down to "I know because it happened to me" bull****.
That's what it is.. bull****.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 06:03 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:07:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/20/13 10:01 AM, wrote:
On 20 Mar 2013 13:34:06 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:05:25 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/19/13 12:00 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:14:06 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I'm pretty sure you cannot "end up being a professor" in the traditional
sense of that word without a Ph.D. A Master's degree, while a
significant achievement, is not the academic qualifier required for
being a professor.

I bet that is true.
They buy what they sell.



Just love the disdain shown here so often for academic achievement.

Sometimes it is justified.
The local college was looking for someone to manage the dorm expansion
project. They rejected my wife and another experienced construction
manager in favor of a guy with a masters degree in construction
management (and zero experience). Now the project is running almost a
year behind schedule and the cost overruns are piling up.

They hired what they sold, not what they needed.

That could have happened for reasons that have nothing to do with the
construction manager.


That is why you hire a construction manager, to be sure those things
don't happen.


That's silly and you know it. All sorts of unexpected **** can happen on
commercial construction sites, and many times for inexplicable
challenges that are not easily resolved by a CM or anyone else.


Don't you get it?? This is his thing. He cites some bull****, and
people take it seriously, as though he has all the facts. He doesn't.
In fact, it's very hard to have all the facts. That's why we have
organizations like the NTSB who show up after a plane crash. It takes
months to sort things out. But Gretwell sees all and knows all.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 06:04 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 12:51:36 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 10:07:12 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/20/13 10:01 AM,
wrote:
. Now the project is running almost a
year behind schedule and the cost overruns are piling up.

They hired what they sold, not what they needed.

That could have happened for reasons that have nothing to do with the
construction manager.

That is why you hire a construction manager, to be sure those things
don't happen.


That's silly and you know it. All sorts of unexpected **** can happen on
commercial construction sites, and many times for inexplicable
challenges that are not easily resolved by a CM or anyone else.


Experience with local contractors and conditions is more valuable than
anything you get from a book. There as also simply the experience you
get from actually managing people.


Anything? Really? Anything? Care to change that? There are lots and
lots of really ****ty managers.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 06:09 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 00:15:15 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 11:18:09 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

Well, then I guess you'll need something else first. Maybe work for 20
years as an auto-mechanic for someone else, so you can save up to buy
a liquor store. What a fantastic life.


===

It's the great American way: work hard, save money, invest in the
future. You have a problem with that? Too bad you didn't inherit
any money from wealthy ancestors. That's the only easy way that has
withstood the test of time.


It's part of the American way, but not the only part. That's blind
absolutism at its finest.

How about getting a first class education, and using that education to
invent something or learn the theories behind how things work. Or be
able to see a problem that isn't obvious because you studied it in
school as a case study.

Yes, it's too bad, but education has withstood the test of time also.
If it was all about working hard, we'd be living in a much reduced
time.

It's not all about making money besides. How about being happy and
engaged in your community. Not that Biden is the best example, but he
was the poorest or nearly the poorest sentator. Not bad for someone
who was highly educated and not in it for the money.

Urin Asshole March 20th 13 06:46 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 14:10:33 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 11:03:08 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:


But Gretwell sees all and knows all.


As opposed to Mr U. Asshole who doesn't seem to have seen or know of
much of anything. Maybe when you get out of school and actually do
something you will have some stories.


That's right. When you don't like what I have to say, such as
anecdotes are pretty worthless as far as facts go, you claim I don't
know much, all the while claiming bull**** as fact.

I don't need to have "stories" to understand facts and know bs when I
see it. I have plenty of stories. So what? They don't add much value
to a discussion like what you were attempting poorly to contribute to.
They're a data point among thousands of data points. Basically
meaningless, but your game it give them more meaning than they're
actually worth.

But, you're right. They're stories. Mostly made up as far as I can
tell, so that means they don't actually qualify as data points.

Earl[_78_] March 20th 13 11:42 PM

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F.O.A.D. wrote:


Indeed. If you had applied yourself, you might have become a wealthy
end table for someone's can of beer placed on your flat little head.


I'm amazed when the resident tax cheat posts attack like this about
people he doesn't even know.

F.O.A.D. March 21st 13 05:05 PM

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On 3/21/13 12:57 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:38:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/21/13 11:30 AM,
wrote:

OK liquor store, that license will cost at least $250,000 in Florida
and I imagine any other place that limits the number of licenses.

Huh?

http://tinyurl.com/c73fdqr

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.



Ahh, the "private" market. $$$ uber alles, eh?


More like the government restraining trade by limiting the number of
licenses. Any time you limit supply, you drive up the price.
I bet that when those laws were originally passed, the licenses were
doled out to political cronies and people who paid the public
officials directly.
Maryland has a quota system too. (one license per every 1000 people in
the census by county). That is a fairly generous number of licenses
but I bet some counties still have licenses that will sell for 100
grand.



Well, opinions differ as to how many liquor stores are needed in a given
area.

Starting at the county line and just counting the liquor stores along
Route 4 down past Prince Frederick, I know there are at least 15,
because every time I'm on that road, and that's pretty much every day, I
see them. Several of them are "drive through" liquor stores.

Hell, we have at least four times as many churches in the area as liquor
stores, and at least twice as many banks.

I don't see reasonable limits on the number of liquor stores as
"restraining trade." There's about 80,000 people living in this county.
We sure as hell don't "need" 80 liquor stores.



iBoaterer[_3_] March 21st 13 05:23 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.


Cite?


Which state?


You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state


I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

Just like that CAD program that does all of the engineering for a
complex project, this is a tall tale.



Urin Asshole March 21st 13 05:56 PM

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:47:25 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:21:53 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 23:00:33 -0400,
wrote:

I said liquor store owner dip****. I also said auto mechanic. How does
that require lots of upfront cash? If you're going to make **** up, at
least try and sound intelligent doing it. You're amusing on some
stupid level, sort of like the town drunk.

OK liquor store, that license will cost at least $250,000 in Florida
and I imagine any other place that limits the number of licenses.

I looked and in California they can range up to $400,000-$500,000 in
some counties for a off premises liquor license.


No doubt, but I thought anyone could save that much if they work hard
without a college degree for 20 years?


Some do. The real question is if you really want to put all of it into
a license before you even start sticking a store. Most small
businesses fail because they are undercapitalized and can't live
through a tough stretch.


Or the person could attend some college and figure out what small
business is most likely to be viable for whatever money he's got and
work toward that goal. Oh wait, that involved an education. ****.
That's no good.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 06:01 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:57:10 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:38:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/21/13 11:30 AM,
wrote:

OK liquor store, that license will cost at least $250,000 in Florida
and I imagine any other place that limits the number of licenses.

Huh?

http://tinyurl.com/c73fdqr

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.



Ahh, the "private" market. $$$ uber alles, eh?


More like the government restraining trade by limiting the number of
licenses. Any time you limit supply, you drive up the price.
I bet that when those laws were originally passed, the licenses were
doled out to political cronies and people who paid the public
officials directly.
Maryland has a quota system too. (one license per every 1000 people in
the census by county). That is a fairly generous number of licenses
but I bet some counties still have licenses that will sell for 100
grand.


Oh come on. You just said it cost $500K, then when the facts are
shown, you claim that you have to operate first to sell for a profit.
Now you're claiming it's the governments fault for not allowing just
anyone to open a liquor store. Just what we need, more ****ing liquor
stores. There aren't enough, apparently?

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 06:04 PM

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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:04:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.


Cite?


Which state?
You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

scroll down past the government hits and look at the resale sites.
Most places with quota license laws are sold out as soon as the new
licenses go on sale, usually right after the census and they usually
have a lottery to sell them. After that, they become a free market
commodity
We were in the Florida license lottery in 1990 and it cost a few
hundred then, just to play (not refundable). We didn't win.
If we had, the license was worth about $250k after we operated it for
a year or two. (I don't remember the actual time but it was in that
range).


Sounds like more bs. You said Florida or didn't you? Boater showed you
the link. Now you claim you knew all along and actually tried it.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 06:05 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?


Which state?


You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state


I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

Just like that CAD program that does all of the engineering for a
complex project, this is a tall tale.


Yeah.

J Herring March 21st 13 09:17 PM

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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:04:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:04:37 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?
You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

scroll down past the government hits and look at the resale sites.
Most places with quota license laws are sold out as soon as the new
licenses go on sale, usually right after the census and they usually
have a lottery to sell them. After that, they become a free market
commodity
We were in the Florida license lottery in 1990 and it cost a few
hundred then, just to play (not refundable). We didn't win.
If we had, the license was worth about $250k after we operated it for
a year or two. (I don't remember the actual time but it was in that
range).


Sounds like more bs. You said Florida or didn't you? Boater showed you
the link. Now you claim you knew all along and actually tried it.


I did say Florida and Kevin never said anything that proved anything I
said was wrong.

I am not sure what it takes to make you believe anything. I understand
you have spent your life in your room doing nothing but some of us
have actually done things with our lives.


Are you implying that playing with himself is 'doing nothing'?

I actually find it hard to believe that there are some folks who haven't filtered him yet. He's
definitely not your caliber of debater.


Salmonbait

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'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort.


Boating All Out March 21st 13 10:53 PM

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In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:05:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I don't see reasonable limits on the number of liquor stores as
"restraining trade." There's about 80,000 people living in this county.
We sure as hell don't "need" 80 liquor stores.


You don't think the market would decide that? You also have to include
bars and some restaurants in that number depending on how the law is
written. In Florida a class A license is needed to own a liquor store
but you can also operate a "lounge" under that license. That is why
you see one at most big liquor stores here,

I am kind of curious about how the Walmart/Walgreens/Costco stores are
impacting that model.


Yep. What happened to the "free market?"
Pretty sure "church people" had a big say in liquor licensing in every
state. Probably influenced more now by corruption - special interest
lobbying. Seedy business. You tried to score, eh?
It's all easily fixable if the politicians were honest.
Outside of zoning which doesn't want liquor sales, just license any
location/owner which qualifies. Renew every year. Location is sold to
a new guy, he just has to background qualify like the previous owner.
Location violates licensing rule or causes trouble, shut it down.
What's so hard about it? Lobbyists.
Quotas are driven by "church people" or corruption.
You think Walmart/Walgreens/Costco have to enter a lottery to sell
liquor? Hah.
Quotas or not, allowing a private party to sell a government license is
inherently corrupt.
Use it or lose it.


Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:00 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:15:07 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:05:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/21/13 12:57 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:38:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/21/13 11:30 AM,
wrote:

OK liquor store, that license will cost at least $250,000 in Florida
and I imagine any other place that limits the number of licenses.

Huh?

http://tinyurl.com/c73fdqr

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.



Ahh, the "private" market. $$$ uber alles, eh?

More like the government restraining trade by limiting the number of
licenses. Any time you limit supply, you drive up the price.
I bet that when those laws were originally passed, the licenses were
doled out to political cronies and people who paid the public
officials directly.
Maryland has a quota system too. (one license per every 1000 people in
the census by county). That is a fairly generous number of licenses
but I bet some counties still have licenses that will sell for 100
grand.



Well, opinions differ as to how many liquor stores are needed in a given
area.

Starting at the county line and just counting the liquor stores along
Route 4 down past Prince Frederick, I know there are at least 15,
because every time I'm on that road, and that's pretty much every day, I
see them. Several of them are "drive through" liquor stores.

Hell, we have at least four times as many churches in the area as liquor
stores, and at least twice as many banks.

I don't see reasonable limits on the number of liquor stores as
"restraining trade." There's about 80,000 people living in this county.
We sure as hell don't "need" 80 liquor stores.


You don't think the market would decide that? You also have to include
bars and some restaurants in that number depending on how the law is
written. In Florida a class A license is needed to own a liquor store
but you can also operate a "lounge" under that license. That is why
you see one at most big liquor stores here,

I am kind of curious about how the Walmart/Walgreens/Costco stores are
impacting that model.


Maybe eventually, but in the mean time there'd be a liquor store on
every corner. Is that something you'd like to see? I'm sure it would
enhance your neighborhood, but not mine.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:02 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:25:07 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:01:25 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:57:10 -0400,
wrote:


More like the government restraining trade by limiting the number of
licenses. Any time you limit supply, you drive up the price.
I bet that when those laws were originally passed, the licenses were
doled out to political cronies and people who paid the public
officials directly.
Maryland has a quota system too. (one license per every 1000 people in
the census by county). That is a fairly generous number of licenses
but I bet some counties still have licenses that will sell for 100
grand.


Oh come on. You just said it cost $500K, then when the facts are
shown, you claim that you have to operate first to sell for a profit.
Now you're claiming it's the governments fault for not allowing just
anyone to open a liquor store. Just what we need, more ****ing liquor
stores. There aren't enough, apparently?


You are the one who posted the article saying that was one of the top
ten ideas to get rich
I am just pointing out it is not something a poor person can do.



And, you claimed it was going to cost $500K, which it doesn't. So now
you're trying to weasel out of your claim by blaming me for point out
your weaselness.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:03 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?


You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state


I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every
10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and
they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market.

The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which
county you are talking about


Only resale maybe. The license costs have already be documented,
you're just trying to slime your way out of being wrong.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:05 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:04:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:04:37 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?
You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

scroll down past the government hits and look at the resale sites.
Most places with quota license laws are sold out as soon as the new
licenses go on sale, usually right after the census and they usually
have a lottery to sell them. After that, they become a free market
commodity
We were in the Florida license lottery in 1990 and it cost a few
hundred then, just to play (not refundable). We didn't win.
If we had, the license was worth about $250k after we operated it for
a year or two. (I don't remember the actual time but it was in that
range).


Sounds like more bs. You said Florida or didn't you? Boater showed you
the link. Now you claim you knew all along and actually tried it.


I did say Florida and Kevin never said anything that proved anything I
said was wrong.


You claimed it cost thousands to get the license... big thousands.
That's what he pointed out that was complete bs.

I am not sure what it takes to make you believe anything. I understand
you have spent your life in your room doing nothing but some of us
have actually done things with our lives.


Ah, the ad homin attack. That makes you look like quite the adult.

How about some facts boy.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:06 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:17:53 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:27:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:04:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:04:37 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?
You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

scroll down past the government hits and look at the resale sites.
Most places with quota license laws are sold out as soon as the new
licenses go on sale, usually right after the census and they usually
have a lottery to sell them. After that, they become a free market
commodity
We were in the Florida license lottery in 1990 and it cost a few
hundred then, just to play (not refundable). We didn't win.
If we had, the license was worth about $250k after we operated it for
a year or two. (I don't remember the actual time but it was in that
range).

Sounds like more bs. You said Florida or didn't you? Boater showed you
the link. Now you claim you knew all along and actually tried it.


I did say Florida and Kevin never said anything that proved anything I
said was wrong.

I am not sure what it takes to make you believe anything. I understand
you have spent your life in your room doing nothing but some of us
have actually done things with our lives.


Are you implying that playing with himself is 'doing nothing'?

I actually find it hard to believe that there are some folks who haven't filtered him yet. He's
definitely not your caliber of debater.


Salmonbait


Well, dip****bait, whatever you say.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:07 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:23:07 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:59:07 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:30:58 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:48:46 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:



That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.


So, you don't think you can get investors to work the operation? I
thought that was what free market is all about.


Investors on startups are not really that easy to find for a person
who has never done anything.. You only hear about the people who find
one, The rest are still starving in their garage.


So, you can't find an investor? You know this? I thought liquor
licenses were valuable? You're telling me an investor wouldn't devote
some time to make sure it was run correctly??? Good grief.

Urin Asshole March 21st 13 11:08 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:19:55 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 10:57:39 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:48:46 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:


OK liquor store, that license will cost at least $250,000 in Florida
and I imagine any other place that limits the number of licenses.

Huh?

http://tinyurl.com/c73fdqr

Yikes! Facts!

It's a lotto, but if you win, then you could sell the license to
someone else for a cool $500K?


More like $250-400k but yes that is how it works.


So, the bottom line is that it doesn't cost big bucks to get the
license, and you can sell it for 10x what you paid. So, like I said,
you're talkin out your ass.

F.O.A.D. March 22nd 13 12:19 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On 3/21/13 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:00:43 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:15:07 -0400,
wrote:


You don't think the market would decide that? You also have to include
bars and some restaurants in that number depending on how the law is
written. In Florida a class A license is needed to own a liquor store
but you can also operate a "lounge" under that license. That is why
you see one at most big liquor stores here,

I am kind of curious about how the Walmart/Walgreens/Costco stores are
impacting that model.


Maybe eventually, but in the mean time there'd be a liquor store on
every corner. Is that something you'd like to see? I'm sure it would
enhance your neighborhood, but not mine.


If there are not enough customers to support a store on every corner,
they will go broke. That is how the market works. In fact I believe
the Walmart type stores are wiping out some of the mom and pop stores.
The survivors are the ones that have a successful lounge.


There is no need for nor should there be a liquor store on every corner.
Well, maybe in Florida.

We don't have any WalMart type booze sellers around this part of
southern Maryland. For the moment. But we do have a good number of
liquor stores and some combo stores that sell decent wines, too.



JustWaitAFrekinMinute March 22nd 13 01:23 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On 3/21/2013 8:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:07:15 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:23:07 -0400,
wrote:

Investors on startups are not really that easy to find for a person
who has never done anything.. You only hear about the people who find
one, The rest are still starving in their garage.


So, you can't find an investor? You know this? I thought liquor
licenses were valuable? You're telling me an investor wouldn't devote
some time to make sure it was run correctly??? Good grief.


That assumes the investor knows anything about running a store,
picking the right location, hiring the right people and if that was
true, why does he need YOU?


Man is loogie playing you hard....

BAR[_2_] March 22nd 13 01:50 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:53:29 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:05:59 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I don't see reasonable limits on the number of liquor stores as
"restraining trade." There's about 80,000 people living in this county.
We sure as hell don't "need" 80 liquor stores.


You don't think the market would decide that? You also have to include
bars and some restaurants in that number depending on how the law is
written. In Florida a class A license is needed to own a liquor store
but you can also operate a "lounge" under that license. That is why
you see one at most big liquor stores here,

I am kind of curious about how the Walmart/Walgreens/Costco stores are
impacting that model.


Yep. What happened to the "free market?"
Pretty sure "church people" had a big say in liquor licensing in every
state. Probably influenced more now by corruption - special interest
lobbying. Seedy business. You tried to score, eh?
It's all easily fixable if the politicians were honest.
Outside of zoning which doesn't want liquor sales, just license any
location/owner which qualifies. Renew every year. Location is sold to
a new guy, he just has to background qualify like the previous owner.
Location violates licensing rule or causes trouble, shut it down.
What's so hard about it? Lobbyists.
Quotas are driven by "church people" or corruption.
You think Walmart/Walgreens/Costco have to enter a lottery to sell
liquor? Hah.
Quotas or not, allowing a private party to sell a government license is
inherently corrupt.
Use it or lose it.


Most of the liquor laws are lingering remnants of Prohibition,
particularly in those states where the church is powerful.

Walmart can just buy a license and they have the legal compliance
department to keep them out of regulatory trouble.
At a certain point you have to believe the big players who can buy a
few legislators like this to be expensive and complicated to get into,
to limit the competition ... but I think the same thing is true of
most licensing and complex regulation.


Damascus, Maryland just got on-premesis alcohol. It had been dry for
over 100 years.

Urin Asshole March 22nd 13 02:57 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:08:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:00:43 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:15:07 -0400,
wrote:


You don't think the market would decide that? You also have to include
bars and some restaurants in that number depending on how the law is
written. In Florida a class A license is needed to own a liquor store
but you can also operate a "lounge" under that license. That is why
you see one at most big liquor stores here,

I am kind of curious about how the Walmart/Walgreens/Costco stores are
impacting that model.


Maybe eventually, but in the mean time there'd be a liquor store on
every corner. Is that something you'd like to see? I'm sure it would
enhance your neighborhood, but not mine.


If there are not enough customers to support a store on every corner,
they will go broke. That is how the market works. In fact I believe
the Walmart type stores are wiping out some of the mom and pop stores.
The survivors are the ones that have a successful lounge.


So, then what I said is completely accurate.

Urin Asshole March 22nd 13 02:57 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:10:46 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:02:27 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:25:07 -0400,
wrote:

You are the one who posted the article saying that was one of the top
ten ideas to get rich
I am just pointing out it is not something a poor person can do.



And, you claimed it was going to cost $500K, which it doesn't. So now
you're trying to weasel out of your claim by blaming me for point out
your weaselness.


Not at all. I said the license will be $250-400k but it will still
cost over 100k more to get your store up and going.

This is not a poor man's game


And the previous posted pointed out that you're full of ****. The
licenses are in four figures.

Urin Asshole March 22nd 13 03:00 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:11:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:03:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:18:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?

You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every
10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and
they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market.

The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which
county you are talking about


Only resale maybe. The license costs have already be documented,
you're just trying to slime your way out of being wrong.


That is the only place you can get a license unless you win it in the
once a decade lottery.


Which has nothing to do with getting a license from the state.
Something you're trying to claim you never said. Well, as usual, you
talk in generalities with no justification.

It's like claiming that it costs hundreds of dollars to pay a round of
golf. Well, yeah, if you including buying clubs.

The license is a couple of grand maybe, depending on the type. Then
when you get it you'll have an investment opportunity.

Try making some sense next time.

Urin Asshole March 22nd 13 03:04 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:24:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:07:15 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:23:07 -0400,
wrote:

Investors on startups are not really that easy to find for a person
who has never done anything.. You only hear about the people who find
one, The rest are still starving in their garage.


So, you can't find an investor? You know this? I thought liquor
licenses were valuable? You're telling me an investor wouldn't devote
some time to make sure it was run correctly??? Good grief.


That assumes the investor knows anything about running a store,
picking the right location, hiring the right people and if that was
true, why does he need YOU?


Yeah, because investors don't know anything nor care where they put
there money?

Because you got da license dummy. I thought you said they were hard to
get?

Urin Asshole March 22nd 13 03:04 AM

Brewing economic scandal
 
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:23:53 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 3/21/2013 8:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:07:15 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:23:07 -0400,
wrote:

Investors on startups are not really that easy to find for a person
who has never done anything.. You only hear about the people who find
one, The rest are still starving in their garage.

So, you can't find an investor? You know this? I thought liquor
licenses were valuable? You're telling me an investor wouldn't devote
some time to make sure it was run correctly??? Good grief.


That assumes the investor knows anything about running a store,
picking the right location, hiring the right people and if that was
true, why does he need YOU?


Man is loogie playing you hard....


Man you're ****ing stupid. So, I'm not kevin now I'm logier? ****in
stupid is you.

iBoaterer[_3_] March 22nd 13 12:32 PM

Brewing economic scandal
 
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
wrote:

That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?


You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state


I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every
10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and
they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market.

The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which
county you are talking about


Again, CITE?


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