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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of ****. What's wrong with a general education????? ------------------------------------------ Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree. |
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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:22:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... On 3/18/13 3:20 AM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B wrote: Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e., the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment. Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well and can lead to having your own business. I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German model of training workers for their particular field, that may be another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge debt. Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. ------------------------------------------------------- Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back. Check out these statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/ Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO. There isn't going to be a real economic recovery until there is a restructuring of our society. Too much of our nation's wealth is in the hands of the super rich, and the trend in that direction continues. More then they have since the 19th Century here, workers have become a disposable commodity, with more of them working without even basic protections, with a diminishing number of employers providing health care, with few employers providing defined pensions, et cetera. It's becoming much more difficult to put away a few dollars when one is facing a lifetime of really insecure employment, family medical bills, et cetera. As a society, we're on the downhill part of a roller coaster ride that sadly leads only to the bottom. -------------------------------------------------- Why is that so? I don't agree with your "disposable commodity" mentality, but I do agree that there is a shrinking middle class due to a corresponding shrinking job market. Even Al Gore warned of this way back when. So did Ross Perot. There has always been "super rich". Why is the "super rich" suddenly and primarily responsible for the job losses and resultant middle class unemployment? The primary reason is global competition for traditional manufacturing jobs in industry. As Wayne pointed out, there will always be jobs that can't be outsourced, but everyone can't be a plumber, electrician or HVAC technician. For a while, everyone and his brother was becoming an "IT" serviceperson or was setting up website creation and maintenance services. But with canned software, anyone with half a brain can create and maintain their own website. Go to an ER or hospital lately? A good number of the doctors are transplants from other countries. Cars run for 100,000 miles or more with only cursory maintenance. Used to require a tune-up every 20,000 miles. Electronic devices like computers and TV's have become disposable and cheap. No need to repair them and when they can be repaired, you can usually do it yourself. Magazines and newspapers are on the decline. Everything worth reading can be found on the Internet. No need for mechanics maintaining printing presses or truck drivers delivering bales of newspapers anymore. If you stop to think about all the technological advances made in the past 15 years or so and also consider the global competition for the manufacturing jobs, I think it becomes clear what has happened to middle class jobs. Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? |
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What's ****ing stupid ****. You are so angry your sentence isn't making sense. Calm down. Have a happy day, Mikek :-) |
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On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same philosophy of the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college education so we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges see this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at consumables, like text books, insanely costly. You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in college costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was so wrong I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different. Mikek You're a ****in idiot. You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're still mad. You are one stupid ****. Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke! Mikek |
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wrote in message ... The problem is that kind of technology hits your typical "college graduate" job the hardest. If there wasn't a very strong engineer's union, most of those jobs would be replaced by a $100 CAD program. You are really just paying for the "stamp" anyway. --------------------------------------- In my field we used to write technical proposals and manuals in longhand on pads of paper. We'd cover the generic sections using the original "cut and paste", meaning we physically cut sections out of previously written documents and scotch tape them into the new one. From there, the document went to the secretary who typed it all out on an IBM Selectric typewriter. As we started to use computers and word processing programs, the requirement for the typist obviously went away. The engineering department typically consisted of degreed engineers doing the calcs and writing the specifications. Draftsmen sat at drafting tables with T squares and French curves, producing the fabrication drawings. As CAD programs came into play, the need for a separate drafting department diminished and in many cases has all but disappeared. Engineers can easily produce their own drawings ..... faster and with fewer errors. So, again, jobs were eliminated. |
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On 3/18/2013 1:13 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote: Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work. ====== Yes, and at $85+/hour. LOL, how much of that goes to the guy with dirty nails:) ?? |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:29:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: There are many ways to go to college without having to be in debt for the rest of your life. It's just not quite as "easy" and you have to work for it or give something in return. I think a big part of the problem is that our dismal K-12 system does not prepare kids to go to college. They are not academically prepared or mature enough for the experience so we simply dumb down the college. Four year degrees typically take 5 years. We always hear about the GI bill and how that kick started the economy after WWII but what they don't say is those students were mature war veterans who did not have time for the foolishness that pervades most campuses. They went there and studied. ---------------------------------------------- Couldn't agree more. I started college right after high school at 18 years old. I was not mature enough and frankly didn't really *want* to go. So, I dropped out, got a job building Boston Whalers (back when they were in Rockland, MA) and within 2 months received a draft notice. This was in 1968. Knowing where I'd be likely heading, I booked it down to the Navy recruiter and enlisted. After a very brief exposure to the Vietnam experience, I started going to school under a military tuition assistance program, while still on active duty. I attended classes in local colleges or universities during my time off at locations that participated in the program. This went on for the next 9 years and I finished up after being discharged under the GI bill. Plus, in the field I chose to pursue (electronics engineering) the electronic schools run by the Navy were actually better than the ones at the colleges. Much more practical and you weren't carrying a bunch of electives that had nothing to do with your future career. Anyway, it worked out great but I had to serve 9 years .... actually 11 years counting two years in the reserves ... to get there. Looking back now, I wouldn't change it for anything. Many great experiences, lived in foreign lands absorbing their cultures and was exposed to a lot more than what you will get in a typical four year curriculum. |
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On 3/18/2013 1:11 PM, Wayne B wrote:
Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes around, you can kiss that job goodbye. === This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers, etc. The time are always a-changein. Yup, I am watching an old school photographer move with the times. From film, to digital, and now to camera phone covers and anything else you can print a digitally altered photo on cause this generation just doesn't want a beautiful wall hanging, it's just gotta' look good on a two inch screen and sound good with cheap ear buds... |
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On 3/18/2013 2:49 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:28:24 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... Sure. Everyone should do it. Except everyone can't. Moronic point dip****. ==== There once were a lot of opportunities for people who could hunt sabre tooth tigers with a spear. Should they have been guaranteed a job for life, retrained as basket weavers or just given welfare checks? When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Exactly, a lot of people learned how to use a slide rule! When my oldest brother was in college, he was there at just the right time so that he first had a slide rule, then a T.I. calculator that could add, subtract, multiply, divide and GASP! do square roots! The problem is that kind of technology hits your typical "college graduate" job the hardest. If there wasn't a very strong engineer's union, most of those jobs would be replaced by a $100 CAD program. You are really just paying for the "stamp" anyway. Horse****. What "engineer's union" are you talking about? What "$100 CAD program" can analyze and economize a structure? How does this $100 CAD program analyze case by case seismic design? How does it analyze concrete floor loading and design? How does it analyze dynamic loads from equipment and or rack storage? How does it analyze site specific soil properties? In short, please show me this program, I'd love to have it, I'll be a millionaire in a week!! Nope, you're certainly not kevin:) Anyway, the program might not be 100 bucks, but if that program costs 10 grand and it could make you a millionaire in a week, what are you waiting for? |
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On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:22:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 3/18/13 3:20 AM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B wrote: Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e., the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment. Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well and can lead to having your own business. I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German model of training workers for their particular field, that may be another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge debt. Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. ------------------------------------------------------- Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back. Check out these statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/ Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO. There isn't going to be a real economic recovery until there is a restructuring of our society. Too much of our nation's wealth is in the hands of the super rich, and the trend in that direction continues. More then they have since the 19th Century here, workers have become a disposable commodity, with more of them working without even basic protections, with a diminishing number of employers providing health care, with few employers providing defined pensions, et cetera. It's becoming much more difficult to put away a few dollars when one is facing a lifetime of really insecure employment, family medical bills, et cetera. As a society, we're on the downhill part of a roller coaster ride that sadly leads only to the bottom. -------------------------------------------------- Why is that so? I don't agree with your "disposable commodity" mentality, but I do agree that there is a shrinking middle class due to a corresponding shrinking job market. Even Al Gore warned of this way back when. So did Ross Perot. There has always been "super rich". Why is the "super rich" suddenly and primarily responsible for the job losses and resultant middle class unemployment? The primary reason is global competition for traditional manufacturing jobs in industry. As Wayne pointed out, there will always be jobs that can't be outsourced, but everyone can't be a plumber, electrician or HVAC technician. For a while, everyone and his brother was becoming an "IT" serviceperson or was setting up website creation and maintenance services. But with canned software, anyone with half a brain can create and maintain their own website. Go to an ER or hospital lately? A good number of the doctors are transplants from other countries. Cars run for 100,000 miles or more with only cursory maintenance. Used to require a tune-up every 20,000 miles. Electronic devices like computers and TV's have become disposable and cheap. No need to repair them and when they can be repaired, you can usually do it yourself. Magazines and newspapers are on the decline. Everything worth reading can be found on the Internet. No need for mechanics maintaining printing presses or truck drivers delivering bales of newspapers anymore. If you stop to think about all the technological advances made in the past 15 years or so and also consider the global competition for the manufacturing jobs, I think it becomes clear what has happened to middle class jobs. Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick not yours. |
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On 3/18/13 4:00 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
I think a liberal arts degree is a good thing, but the price has to be right, and you have to be able to swing that way. Many people just have no interest in literature, poetry, art, or any of the humanities. Hopefully HS will at least expose them to that. In modern usage, the term "liberal arts" includes course of study that lead to degrees in many fields, including linguistics, language, math, psychology, various fields of science and of course studies in literature, history, philosophy, art, religion and many others. Most who get a degree in the so-called liberal arts expect to and actually do go on to graduate school for a master's and possibly a doctorate. Liberal arts grads get either degrees in the "arts" or the "sciences." For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree. |
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J Herring wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/18/13 4:00 PM, Boating All Out wrote: I think a liberal arts degree is a good thing, but the price has to be right, and you have to be able to swing that way. Many people just have no interest in literature, poetry, art, or any of the humanities. Hopefully HS will at least expose them to that. In modern usage, the term "liberal arts" includes course of study that lead to degrees in many fields, including linguistics, language, math, psychology, various fields of science and of course studies in literature, history, philosophy, art, religion and many others. Most who get a degree in the so-called liberal arts expect to and actually do go on to graduate school for a master's and possibly a doctorate. Liberal arts grads get either degrees in the "arts" or the "sciences." For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree. If he's going for a degree in math, he's got to start with math - or add a few semesters for wasting his time. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. Math is considered one of the liberal arts. |
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 3/18/13 4:00 PM, Boating All Out wrote: I think a liberal arts degree is a good thing, but the price has to be right, and you have to be able to swing that way. Many people just have no interest in literature, poetry, art, or any of the humanities. Hopefully HS will at least expose them to that. In modern usage, the term "liberal arts" includes course of study that lead to degrees in many fields, including linguistics, language, math, psychology, various fields of science and of course studies in literature, history, philosophy, art, religion and many others. Most who get a degree in the so-called liberal arts expect to and actually do go on to graduate school for a master's and possibly a doctorate. Liberal arts grads get either degrees in the "arts" or the "sciences." For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree. If he's going for a degree in math, he's got to start with math - or add a few semesters for wasting his time. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. |
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On 18 Mar 2013 21:31:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:
J Herring wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/18/13 4:00 PM, Boating All Out wrote: I think a liberal arts degree is a good thing, but the price has to be right, and you have to be able to swing that way. Many people just have no interest in literature, poetry, art, or any of the humanities. Hopefully HS will at least expose them to that. In modern usage, the term "liberal arts" includes course of study that lead to degrees in many fields, including linguistics, language, math, psychology, various fields of science and of course studies in literature, history, philosophy, art, religion and many others. Most who get a degree in the so-called liberal arts expect to and actually do go on to graduate school for a master's and possibly a doctorate. Liberal arts grads get either degrees in the "arts" or the "sciences." For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree. If he's going for a degree in math, he's got to start with math - or add a few semesters for wasting his time. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. Math is considered one of the liberal arts. A BA in Math? Never heard of it. But, I don't get around near as much as some folks. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. |
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On 3/18/13 5:44 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 3/18/2013 5:36 PM, wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree. The problem is, once you move away from academia, there is not a lot of work in that field. We have a friend who grew up here with our daughter who got a MA and is working (or has) the PHD, She stayed in that field. She worked briefly in the prison business but there wasn't much money in it. She was supplementing her salary hustling real estate, then that business went to hell. She is now a professor at Hodges University. My daughter has her Masters and from what I know when she stops working for the not=profit she works for, she will probably end up being a professor. Typically, you need a Ph.D to be a "professor" in most fields. |
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"Meyer" wrote in message eb.com... On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick not yours. ----------------------------------------------- Just trying to communicate in his native tongue. |
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:54:02 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote: On 3/18/2013 1:13 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote: Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work. ====== Yes, and at $85+/hour. LOL, how much of that goes to the guy with dirty nails:) ?? ======= It depends. Some guys take it all but pay for there own shop, truck and benefits. Some guys get 25%. Even at 25% it's a halfway decent living, and the smart, motivated guys save up and plan for going on their own. |
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On 3/18/13 5:49 PM, J Herring wrote:
On 18 Mar 2013 21:31:05 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote: J Herring wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:52:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 3/18/13 4:00 PM, Boating All Out wrote: I think a liberal arts degree is a good thing, but the price has to be right, and you have to be able to swing that way. Many people just have no interest in literature, poetry, art, or any of the humanities. Hopefully HS will at least expose them to that. In modern usage, the term "liberal arts" includes course of study that lead to degrees in many fields, including linguistics, language, math, psychology, various fields of science and of course studies in literature, history, philosophy, art, religion and many others. Most who get a degree in the so-called liberal arts expect to and actually do go on to graduate school for a master's and possibly a doctorate. Liberal arts grads get either degrees in the "arts" or the "sciences." For most students, the degree sought is consider no more than an entree into a field or profession. As an example, it's doubtful you could get even a decent entry level job in "psychology" without a master's degree. If he's going for a degree in math, he's got to start with math - or add a few semesters for wasting his time. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. Math is considered one of the liberal arts. A BA in Math? Never heard of it. But, I don't get around near as much as some folks. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. The initialism of the degree doesn't determine whether it is a liberal arts degree. There are liberal arts degrees where the initialism is B.S. and M.S. Math would be one of those. My wife has a B.S. and an M.S., in addition to her Ph.D., and her field falls into the purview of liberal arts. The traditional sciences -biology, math, et cetera. are all considered liberal arts. I get such a chuckle when the semi-literates knock liberal arts degrees. Many courses of study fall under the purview of liberal arts. Oh, here's something from the Tufts' school of architectu "Tufts' architectural studies program, representing a liberal arts approach to architecture and distinguished by the concentration's requirement that students take classes in multiple disciplines from architectural history and studio design to engineering, the humanities, and social sciences. This multidisciplinary curriculum takes full advantage of Tufts' unique assets for a liberal arts college, including the university's engineering school, its graduate department in urban and environmental planning and policy, and its affiliation with the School of the Museum of Fine Arts. As a capstone senior majors in their final semester complete a senior integrative project, either as an independent research project or an internship in a professional office." http://tinyurl.com/czdspdq I get such a chuckle when the semi-literates knock liberal arts degrees. Many courses of study fall under the purview of liberal arts. |
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On 3/18/13 6:09 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"Meyer" wrote in message eb.com... On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick not yours. ----------------------------------------------- Just trying to communicate in his native tongue. Are you trying to imitate "Mired"? |
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says... In article , says... Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes around, you can kiss that job goodbye. === This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers, etc. The time are always a-changein. Exactly, continuing education is a MUST in most professions. In a lot of professions, it's the law. Just because you have a job in a specific field doesn't mean that you will be able to stay in the field your entire career. |
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:44:54 -0500, amdx wrote:
What's ****ing stupid ****. You are so angry your sentence isn't making sense. Calm down. Have a happy day, Mikek :-) Only to ****ing stupid ****s like you. |
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 14:54:11 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:29:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: There are many ways to go to college without having to be in debt for the rest of your life. It's just not quite as "easy" and you have to work for it or give something in return. I think a big part of the problem is that our dismal K-12 system does not prepare kids to go to college. They are not academically prepared or mature enough for the experience so we simply dumb down the college. Four year degrees typically take 5 years. We always hear about the GI bill and how that kick started the economy after WWII but what they don't say is those students were mature war veterans who did not have time for the foolishness that pervades most campuses. They went there and studied. ---------------------------------------------- Couldn't agree more. I started college right after high school at 18 years old. I was not mature enough and frankly didn't really *want* to go. So, I dropped out, got a job building Boston Whalers (back when they were in Rockland, MA) and within 2 months received a draft notice. This was in 1968. Knowing where I'd be likely heading, I booked it down to the Navy recruiter and enlisted. After a very brief exposure to the Vietnam experience, I started going to school under a military tuition assistance program, while still on active duty. I attended classes in local colleges or universities during my time off at locations that participated in the program. This went on for the next 9 years and I finished up after being discharged under the GI bill. Plus, in the field I chose to pursue (electronics engineering) the electronic schools run by the Navy were actually better than the ones at the colleges. Much more practical and you weren't carrying a bunch of electives that had nothing to do with your future career. Anyway, it worked out great but I had to serve 9 years .... actually 11 years counting two years in the reserves ... to get there. Looking back now, I wouldn't change it for anything. Many great experiences, lived in foreign lands absorbing their cultures and was exposed to a lot more than what you will get in a typical four year curriculum. Military tuition. Hmmm.. sounds socialist to me. Of course, we could reeinstitute the draft. That'll motivate the kids. Sheesh. |
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:46:22 -0500, amdx wrote:
On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same philosophy of the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college education so we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges see this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at consumables, like text books, insanely costly. You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in college costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was so wrong I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different. Mikek You're a ****in idiot. You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're still mad. You are one stupid ****. Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke! Mikek Then take your meds you ****ing moron. Never heard of taking personal responsibility? I thought that's what all your freaks insist on. |
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:23 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:55:23 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:54:24 -0400, wrote: Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. What happens to that statistic when you take out the hedge fund managers, doctors and lawyers? What is the average salary for the regular BA who struggled with college, maybe taking 5 or even 6 years to complete his degree with very little job skill to show for it? Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of ****. What's wrong with a general education????? There is nothing wrong with a general education but you have to consider what you are learning and how it will actually help you getting a job. A far more meaningful statistic would be what is the difference between a non-professional college degree and a trade school. So, learning how to think critically... like getting a liberal arts education is pretty worthless. I get it. Well, what's the difference? You could use Germany as an example, but they're a bunch of socialists. http://academic.cuesta.edu/intlang/g...education.html |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:31:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of ****. What's wrong with a general education????? ------------------------------------------ Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree. Bull****. Try hiring someone who doesn't know how to look at a report and figure out what's going on. Or create one that can be read by someone. The worst degree to get is none. Just about every undergrad degree program requires some pretty substantial "liberal arts" background to graduate. You're argument is that if it isn't engineering or programming, then you shouldn't go to school. That's total bull**** and wrong on the face of it. Oh, sorry for using bull****. I thought this was a boating group, but it seems like there are a bunch of ****ing pansies who can't stand the ****ing word. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:36:25 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Urin Asshole" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:22:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message news:DPKdnW13FObHctvMnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@earthlink. com... On 3/18/13 3:20 AM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B wrote: Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e., the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment. Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well and can lead to having your own business. I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German model of training workers for their particular field, that may be another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge debt. Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. ------------------------------------------------------- Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back. Check out these statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/ Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO. There isn't going to be a real economic recovery until there is a restructuring of our society. Too much of our nation's wealth is in the hands of the super rich, and the trend in that direction continues. More then they have since the 19th Century here, workers have become a disposable commodity, with more of them working without even basic protections, with a diminishing number of employers providing health care, with few employers providing defined pensions, et cetera. It's becoming much more difficult to put away a few dollars when one is facing a lifetime of really insecure employment, family medical bills, et cetera. As a society, we're on the downhill part of a roller coaster ride that sadly leads only to the bottom. -------------------------------------------------- Why is that so? I don't agree with your "disposable commodity" mentality, but I do agree that there is a shrinking middle class due to a corresponding shrinking job market. Even Al Gore warned of this way back when. So did Ross Perot. There has always been "super rich". Why is the "super rich" suddenly and primarily responsible for the job losses and resultant middle class unemployment? The primary reason is global competition for traditional manufacturing jobs in industry. As Wayne pointed out, there will always be jobs that can't be outsourced, but everyone can't be a plumber, electrician or HVAC technician. For a while, everyone and his brother was becoming an "IT" serviceperson or was setting up website creation and maintenance services. But with canned software, anyone with half a brain can create and maintain their own website. Go to an ER or hospital lately? A good number of the doctors are transplants from other countries. Cars run for 100,000 miles or more with only cursory maintenance. Used to require a tune-up every 20,000 miles. Electronic devices like computers and TV's have become disposable and cheap. No need to repair them and when they can be repaired, you can usually do it yourself. Magazines and newspapers are on the decline. Everything worth reading can be found on the Internet. No need for mechanics maintaining printing presses or truck drivers delivering bales of newspapers anymore. If you stop to think about all the technological advances made in the past 15 years or so and also consider the global competition for the manufacturing jobs, I think it becomes clear what has happened to middle class jobs. Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? Yes, UofF. Also Col. School of Mines. Do you want to know where my tattoo is located? I doubt it. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:09:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Meyer" wrote in message web.com... On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick not yours. ----------------------------------------------- Just trying to communicate in his native tongue. Tonginglinguis? Not interested. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:16:46 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 3/18/13 6:09 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Meyer" wrote in message eb.com... On 3/18/2013 1:36 PM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? Are you OK. You never used to say things like that. It's his schtick not yours. ----------------------------------------------- Just trying to communicate in his native tongue. Are you trying to imitate "Mired"? He's doing a ****ing bad job. I kinda like Eisboch. Mild mannered and not a total dip****. |
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Brewing economic scandal
"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Military tuition. Hmmm.. sounds socialist to me. Of course, we could reeinstitute the draft. That'll motivate the kids. Sheesh. ---------------------------------------- It was a benefit ... not unlike civilian companies that offer tuition assistance for employees. It still exists except the program has been halted due to the sequester. Education benefits under the GI Bill (or whatever it's modern counterpart is called) is still in force when you leave the military but the tuition assistance for school while on active duty has been stopped .... hopefully temporarily. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:40:11 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 10:02:10 -0700, Urin Asshole wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote: Technology has not removed the need for people to wire houses, float drywall and lay bricks. Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work. Yeah, there'll be so much demand for that why we can fuel our entire future and compete with the rest of the world by fixing some engines, wiring houses and laying bricks. Good god. Grow up. Those are jobs that can't be exported. Marissa Mayer did her employees a favor by making them show up at the office. If she was willing to admit those jobs could be phoned in from home, that home could be in India. So what? We need a knowledge workforce not drones. |
Brewing economic scandal
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:13:17 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote: Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work. ====== Yes, and at $85+/hour. Yeah, until one lands on your head. |
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