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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... Huh? You think that'll skew it enough to make much difference? Go for it. Job skill and general education have only something to do with each other, as you've already pointed out. So basically you're full of ****. What's wrong with a general education????? ------------------------------------------ Your models are very outdated. The worst degree to get now-a-days in terms of jobs is a liberal arts degree. |
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"Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 07:22:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message om... On 3/18/13 3:20 AM, Eisboch wrote: "Urin Asshole" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 00:53:16 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 23:19:08 -0400, Wayne B wrote: Or work your way up the organization from an entry level job, i.e., the old fashioned way. The demand for certain technical skills is so high that any experience at all can get your foot in the door. Once hired, job performance counts a lot more than education. I've encountered a surprising number of well educated individuals who just could not apply their knowledge effectively in a work environment. Being able to apply what you know, recognizing opportunities and acting on them in a timely manner is what gets people ahead. There are also a lot of opportunities in some of the difficult, dirty, blue collar areas like refrigeration, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics, commercial electricians, etc. Those jobs are physically demanding and require a fair amount of skill but they pay very well and can lead to having your own business. I have heard the gloom and doom for anyone who didn't go to college and every year brings new opportunities for people who do not really need a degree. Now that we have US companies adopting the German model of training workers for their particular field, that may be another path for kids who don't want to start their career with a huge debt. Bull****. Just about every study available shows that a college edu makes a huge salary difference. Maybe you were able to do fine without one, but that's not the norm any more. You think factory workers are the future? Jesus H. Christ that's a narrow view. ------------------------------------------------------- Degrees and graduate degrees are fine and wonderful but if there are no jobs to be had (or just a few in very limited fields), not only is the degree non-productive there is also an almost lifetime level of debt for many. I have been shocked to learn of how many recent college grads are unemployed because they cannot find a job and of the number of older people with degrees and years of experience who are collecting extended unemployment checks. An economic recovery, if it ever really happens, isn't going to bring those jobs back. Check out these statistics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/02/01/alarming-number-of-student-loans-are-delinquent/ Things have changed and Wayne is correct, IMO. There isn't going to be a real economic recovery until there is a restructuring of our society. Too much of our nation's wealth is in the hands of the super rich, and the trend in that direction continues. More then they have since the 19th Century here, workers have become a disposable commodity, with more of them working without even basic protections, with a diminishing number of employers providing health care, with few employers providing defined pensions, et cetera. It's becoming much more difficult to put away a few dollars when one is facing a lifetime of really insecure employment, family medical bills, et cetera. As a society, we're on the downhill part of a roller coaster ride that sadly leads only to the bottom. -------------------------------------------------- Why is that so? I don't agree with your "disposable commodity" mentality, but I do agree that there is a shrinking middle class due to a corresponding shrinking job market. Even Al Gore warned of this way back when. So did Ross Perot. There has always been "super rich". Why is the "super rich" suddenly and primarily responsible for the job losses and resultant middle class unemployment? The primary reason is global competition for traditional manufacturing jobs in industry. As Wayne pointed out, there will always be jobs that can't be outsourced, but everyone can't be a plumber, electrician or HVAC technician. For a while, everyone and his brother was becoming an "IT" serviceperson or was setting up website creation and maintenance services. But with canned software, anyone with half a brain can create and maintain their own website. Go to an ER or hospital lately? A good number of the doctors are transplants from other countries. Cars run for 100,000 miles or more with only cursory maintenance. Used to require a tune-up every 20,000 miles. Electronic devices like computers and TV's have become disposable and cheap. No need to repair them and when they can be repaired, you can usually do it yourself. Magazines and newspapers are on the decline. Everything worth reading can be found on the Internet. No need for mechanics maintaining printing presses or truck drivers delivering bales of newspapers anymore. If you stop to think about all the technological advances made in the past 15 years or so and also consider the global competition for the manufacturing jobs, I think it becomes clear what has happened to middle class jobs. Therefore, **** college education, right? What bull****. -------------------------------- So, tell us. Where did you go to school? University of ****ology? |
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What's ****ing stupid ****. You are so angry your sentence isn't making sense. Calm down. Have a happy day, Mikek :-) |
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On 3/18/2013 11:53 AM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:51:02 -0500, amdx wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/cost-of-college-degree-in-u-s-soars-12-fold-chart-of-the-day.html Extreme college costs are due in a large part to the same philosophy of the mortgage mess. Everyone should be entitled to a college education so we'll (the gov't) will give people money to go. SO, the colleges see this as a cash cow and raise tuition. AND take a look at consumables, like text books, insanely costly. You said it iboaterer, Gov't has caused the explosive rise in college costs. And the mortgage mess was caused by the gov't too! I was so wrong I thought your answer for everything was more government. Healthcare inflation is next, but I'm sure you think that will be different. Mikek You're a ****in idiot. You are one angry liberal. Everything is going your way and you're still mad. You are one stupid ****. Calm down, I don't want to be responsible for a stroke! Mikek |
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wrote in message ... The problem is that kind of technology hits your typical "college graduate" job the hardest. If there wasn't a very strong engineer's union, most of those jobs would be replaced by a $100 CAD program. You are really just paying for the "stamp" anyway. --------------------------------------- In my field we used to write technical proposals and manuals in longhand on pads of paper. We'd cover the generic sections using the original "cut and paste", meaning we physically cut sections out of previously written documents and scotch tape them into the new one. From there, the document went to the secretary who typed it all out on an IBM Selectric typewriter. As we started to use computers and word processing programs, the requirement for the typist obviously went away. The engineering department typically consisted of degreed engineers doing the calcs and writing the specifications. Draftsmen sat at drafting tables with T squares and French curves, producing the fabrication drawings. As CAD programs came into play, the need for a separate drafting department diminished and in many cases has all but disappeared. Engineers can easily produce their own drawings ..... faster and with fewer errors. So, again, jobs were eliminated. |
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On 3/18/2013 1:13 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 01:56:54 -0400, wrote: Anyone who can fix engines in boats will always have work. ====== Yes, and at $85+/hour. LOL, how much of that goes to the guy with dirty nails:) ?? |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:29:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: There are many ways to go to college without having to be in debt for the rest of your life. It's just not quite as "easy" and you have to work for it or give something in return. I think a big part of the problem is that our dismal K-12 system does not prepare kids to go to college. They are not academically prepared or mature enough for the experience so we simply dumb down the college. Four year degrees typically take 5 years. We always hear about the GI bill and how that kick started the economy after WWII but what they don't say is those students were mature war veterans who did not have time for the foolishness that pervades most campuses. They went there and studied. ---------------------------------------------- Couldn't agree more. I started college right after high school at 18 years old. I was not mature enough and frankly didn't really *want* to go. So, I dropped out, got a job building Boston Whalers (back when they were in Rockland, MA) and within 2 months received a draft notice. This was in 1968. Knowing where I'd be likely heading, I booked it down to the Navy recruiter and enlisted. After a very brief exposure to the Vietnam experience, I started going to school under a military tuition assistance program, while still on active duty. I attended classes in local colleges or universities during my time off at locations that participated in the program. This went on for the next 9 years and I finished up after being discharged under the GI bill. Plus, in the field I chose to pursue (electronics engineering) the electronic schools run by the Navy were actually better than the ones at the colleges. Much more practical and you weren't carrying a bunch of electives that had nothing to do with your future career. Anyway, it worked out great but I had to serve 9 years .... actually 11 years counting two years in the reserves ... to get there. Looking back now, I wouldn't change it for anything. Many great experiences, lived in foreign lands absorbing their cultures and was exposed to a lot more than what you will get in a typical four year curriculum. |
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On 3/18/2013 1:11 PM, Wayne B wrote:
Yeah, it's all about the money, then when a new techology comes around, you can kiss that job goodbye. === This is not a new thing. Talk to the buggy whip manufacturers, wagon wheel makers, blacksmiths, vacuum tube makers, Kodak film developers, etc. The time are always a-changein. Yup, I am watching an old school photographer move with the times. From film, to digital, and now to camera phone covers and anything else you can print a digitally altered photo on cause this generation just doesn't want a beautiful wall hanging, it's just gotta' look good on a two inch screen and sound good with cheap ear buds... |
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