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On 3/14/2013 12:45 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:30 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/14/2013 8:05 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:29:55 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

There is always birth control and the morning after pill.


====

Clearly a good start but for various reasons some women do not have
access to either option. Of course one of the reasons for limited
access is that your church has been adamant about trying to suppress
availability.


Lame excuse Wayne. If they were creative enough to gain access to the
old woodie, against church doctrine, they should be able to gain access
to remedies for their sins.

====

And therein lies the problem: Viewing pregnancy and childbirth as a
punishment. That's a very old fasioned notion which has been
carefully fostered by various societies and religions throughout the
ages. We already have more than enough unwanted children running
around with little or no parental leadership. It is a mystery to me
why anyone would wish for more.


You weren't listening. There are remedies that make conception, abortion
or childbirth unnecessary.

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:05:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:29:55 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

There is always birth control and the morning after pill.


====

Clearly a good start but for various reasons some women do not have
access to either option. Of course one of the reasons for limited
access is that your church has been adamant about trying to suppress
availability.

Do you honestly believe that a great percent of the abortions in this country are due to 'lack of
access' to birth control pills, other methods of birth control, or the morning-after pill? To me
that's like saying voter ID shouldn't be required because it imposes such an imposition on those who
have to have IDs anyway.

The Catholics who practice birth control in accordance with the teachings of the Church most
assuredly do not practice getting abortions. In my opinion, most Catholics, at least in this
country, use birth control methods contrary to the teachings of the Church.

I like ESAD's approach - if you don't want an abortion, don't get one.

I'd say, if you don't want a baby, don't get pregnant.


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:27:05 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:10:47 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

Ridiculous... Maybe you can't go into the pulpit and get a birth control
pill from the Pastor, but they are not keeping anybody from getting it a
million other places.

====

You're entitled to your opinion even though its wrong.

Where is he wrong?


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:45:43 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:59:30 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/14/2013 8:05 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:29:55 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

There is always birth control and the morning after pill.


====

Clearly a good start but for various reasons some women do not have
access to either option. Of course one of the reasons for limited
access is that your church has been adamant about trying to suppress
availability.


Lame excuse Wayne. If they were creative enough to gain access to the
old woodie, against church doctrine, they should be able to gain access
to remedies for their sins.

====

And therein lies the problem: Viewing pregnancy and childbirth as a
punishment. That's a very old fasioned notion which has been
carefully fostered by various societies and religions throughout the
ages. We already have more than enough unwanted children running
around with little or no parental leadership. It is a mystery to me
why anyone would wish for more.

How you came to that conclusion, based on what was said, is totally beyond me. "Viewing pregnancy as
punishment"?? Who said anything close to that but you.

You tried to justify abortions based on limited access to birth control methods or the morning after
pill. To me, that's nonsense, unless you're talking third world countries - where abortions wouldn't
be readily available either.


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:47:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/14/13 7:29 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:13 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:40:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.

===

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

There is always birth control and the morning after pill.


Salmonbait

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Unfortunately, religious zealots are interfering with that, too. The
"super religious" really hate women.

Luckily, I've never met or been associated with those types. Where did you meet them? Or, is that
just some conclusion you've somehow reached?


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 09:12:13 -0700, thumper wrote:

On 3/13/2013 10:26 AM, J Herring wrote:

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

You really don't know?

From empathy, compassion, logic, rational thought, real world
consequences, examples from family and community, etc.

How did you decide which religion was correct and what dogma to obey?

Yes, I know, that's why I asked the question after jps had slammed religion.

Your question makes assumptions.


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:24:37 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/14/2013 12:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/14/13 12:12 PM, thumper wrote:
On 3/13/2013 10:26 AM, J Herring wrote:

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing
acquire their basic values?

You really don't know?

From empathy, compassion, logic, rational thought, real world
consequences, examples from family and community, etc.

How did you decide which religion was correct and what dogma to obey?


Herring was raised Catholic but obviously is a Christian in Name Only, a
CINO. I doubt he learned his hatred for blacks, Latinos, gays, from his
church or scripture.

Why do you lie about Herring? We mostly tell the truth about you. Equal
consideration would be appreciated.

He needs the attention. And I'm going out of my way to be respectful and courteous to him.


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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:24:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/14/13 1:07 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:29:55 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:13 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:40:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.

===

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

There is always birth control and the morning after pill.


Salmonbait

There would be except that there's a pretty vocal minority on the
right that would ban those things also.



There are several listings of drug stores whose religious proprietors
won't sell the morning after pill.

When I was a kid in New Haven, we were allowed to work some jobs (with a
work permit) after high school. I got a job two afternoons a week
working at a drug store in an "iffy" section of town. This was a small,
family owned store. I was the combination stock boy and soda fountain jerk.

Well, the drug store did a land office business selling liquor, too,
mostly cheap wine and whiskey, but it carried a reasonable variety. The
booze was on display behind the soda fountain. Turned out that selling
the booze was also part of my job. I was 15. :) That didn't bother me at
all.

I also sold condoms, which, as a raunchy teen-aged boy, I thought was a
hoot. At the time, there was some questionable legality about selling
birth control "devices" in Connecticut, or something like that. Anyway,
that's my memory.

I also walked about the neighborhood on deliveries, usually of
prescriptions, but sometimes I delivered booze. I remember one afternoon
I set out with a double brown bag of Four Roses whiskey, a quart of
ginger ale, and a box of condoms. The guy who answered the door and I
looked at each other and laughed. He was a regular customer who recently
had acquired a lady friend.

We never had any trouble with anyone in the neighborhood, poor as it
was. The drug store was the only one for miles around, and I guess
everyone knew if the pharmacist-owner was robbed, he'd just close down
and open up a shop in a safer neighborhood.

Life was simpler back in the day.


You've had some marvelous experiences. I've found that when a store doesn't carry something I need,
I go to another store.


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On 3/14/13 3:14 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:24:52 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/14/13 1:07 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 07:29:55 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:13 -0400, Wayne B wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:40:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.

===

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

There is always birth control and the morning after pill.


Salmonbait

There would be except that there's a pretty vocal minority on the
right that would ban those things also.



There are several listings of drug stores whose religious proprietors
won't sell the morning after pill.

When I was a kid in New Haven, we were allowed to work some jobs (with a
work permit) after high school. I got a job two afternoons a week
working at a drug store in an "iffy" section of town. This was a small,
family owned store. I was the combination stock boy and soda fountain jerk.

Well, the drug store did a land office business selling liquor, too,
mostly cheap wine and whiskey, but it carried a reasonable variety. The
booze was on display behind the soda fountain. Turned out that selling
the booze was also part of my job. I was 15. :) That didn't bother me at
all.

I also sold condoms, which, as a raunchy teen-aged boy, I thought was a
hoot. At the time, there was some questionable legality about selling
birth control "devices" in Connecticut, or something like that. Anyway,
that's my memory.

I also walked about the neighborhood on deliveries, usually of
prescriptions, but sometimes I delivered booze. I remember one afternoon
I set out with a double brown bag of Four Roses whiskey, a quart of
ginger ale, and a box of condoms. The guy who answered the door and I
looked at each other and laughed. He was a regular customer who recently
had acquired a lady friend.

We never had any trouble with anyone in the neighborhood, poor as it
was. The drug store was the only one for miles around, and I guess
everyone knew if the pharmacist-owner was robbed, he'd just close down
and open up a shop in a safer neighborhood.

Life was simpler back in the day.


You've had some marvelous experiences. I've found that when a store doesn't carry something I need,
I go to another store.


Salmonbait

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Yeah, well, you're reasonably well off. If you are poor, carless, and
public transportation is a real hassle, and the only drug store around
is run by a religious zealot, you are S.O.L.

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 04:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nofinger
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:23:14 PM UTC-5, jps wrote:



Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they

react to their child's behavior.


Yes, jps, your children would be wise to avoid your actions and foul attitude.

My kids see someone who does what he says, cares about fellow human
beings and holds the line on discipline.

Can't imagine how well-adjusted anything you raised ended up.
Hopefully, they've rejected your myopia and given themselves
opportunity to think more broadly.