Good Christian Upbringing
 

A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his
parents in the head after they restricted him from playing violent
video games.

Grant County prosecutors on Monday said that they were asking that
14-year-old Nathan Brooks be tried as an adult for the attempted
murder of his parents.

According to a Moses Lake police report obtained by iFIBER One News,
Nathon Brooks had considered killing his parents, 38-year-old Jonathan
Brooks and 39-year-old Elizabeth Brooks, since the age of 8. He had
recently been been grounded for two weeks from using “electronic
devices” — including playing video games — and had been punished with
detention for being late to class.

Nathon Brooks had admitted to police that he had been obsessed with
video games.

“He said he quit playing violent video games because he thought they
were making him more violent,” Moses Lake police Sgt. Mike Williams
noted in the document. “I asked him how much he played video games,
and he told me ‘24/7,’ up until he got his electronics taken away.”

Nathon Brooks indicated that he had decided to shoot his parents after
his mother told his he was “meeting the definition of insanity” by
disobeying over and over again. He said that his parents had been
angry after he recently took one of their credit cards.

On Friday, Police believe the boy pried open a gun safe to retrieve a
..22 caliber pistol. After listening to music for about 90 minutes, he
decided to kill his parents.

“He said he was rethinking it, but said ultimately the voice telling
him to do it was louder than the one telling him not to,” Williams
wrote. “He said he just heard over and over in his head that he would
be able to do whatever he wanted if he killed his parents.”

While his radio was recharging, Nathon Brooks quietly entered his
parents room just before 10 p.m. and aimed the gun at the back of his
father’s head.

“He shot his dad first, [and] then he shot his mom, [and] then shot
again at his dad when [his father] rolled out of bed,” Williams
explained in the report. “Nathon said that when he was firing at his
mom and she tried to get up, so he fired at her twice more and she
stopped moving.”

Jonathan Brooks reportedly was able to call 9-1-1 to report that an
intruder had shot him and his wife. When police arrived, Nathon Brooks
told officers that the shooter had left.

But a video surveillance camera that the father had set up to monitor
his son clearly showed Nathon Brooks walking through the living room
while carrying a handgun, police said.

Moses Lake police had investigated Nathon Brooks in 2010 over
allegations that he molested a younger girl, but the boy had no
previous criminal charges.

Officials at Moses Lake Christian Academy, where Nathon Brooks went to
school, said they were shocked by the shooting.

“It’s been a difficult day for our family …[that] really is what we
are here, we’re a very tight-knit community and so it’s shocking to
all of us,” Moses Lake Christian Academy interim director told KXLK.
“I don’t know how anyone comes to grips with this. It’s a tragedy for
the family and for the community, not just Moses Lake Christian
Academy but for Moses Lake as a community.”

The academy released a statement on Tuesday saying that Jonothan
Brooks had been released from the hospital and was staying with his
wife as medical staff tried to stabilize her before surgery.

A family friend told KXLY that both parents were “doing well,” and
that Elizabeth Brooks was able to communicate through sign languange.

Nathon Brooks was being held in lieu of $500,000 bail.

This week, the video game industry said it would launch a campaign to
help educate parents about the video game rating system created by the
Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) and on how controls in
video games consoles could be used to limit access to violent content.

Following the mass shooting of 20 elementary school children in
Connecticut last year, Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay
Rockefeller (D-WV) introduced a bill to have the National Academy of
Sciences study the link between violent video games and violent acts
by children.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/2013 12:07 PM, jps wrote:


A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his
parents in the head after they restricted him from playing violent
video games.

Grant County prosecutors on Monday said that they were asking that
14-year-old Nathan Brooks be tried as an adult for the attempted
murder of his parents.

According to a Moses Lake police report obtained by iFIBER One News,
Nathon Brooks had considered killing his parents, 38-year-old Jonathan
Brooks and 39-year-old Elizabeth Brooks, since the age of 8. He had
recently been been grounded for two weeks from using “electronic
devices” — including playing video games — and had been punished with
detention for being late to class.

Nathon Brooks had admitted to police that he had been obsessed with
video games.

“He said he quit playing violent video games because he thought they
were making him more violent,” Moses Lake police Sgt. Mike Williams
noted in the document. “I asked him how much he played video games,
and he told me ‘24/7,’ up until he got his electronics taken away.”

Nathon Brooks indicated that he had decided to shoot his parents after
his mother told his he was “meeting the definition of insanity” by
disobeying over and over again. He said that his parents had been
angry after he recently took one of their credit cards.

On Friday, Police believe the boy pried open a gun safe to retrieve a
..22 caliber pistol. After listening to music for about 90 minutes, he
decided to kill his parents.

“He said he was rethinking it, but said ultimately the voice telling
him to do it was louder than the one telling him not to,” Williams
wrote. “He said he just heard over and over in his head that he would
be able to do whatever he wanted if he killed his parents.”

While his radio was recharging, Nathon Brooks quietly entered his
parents room just before 10 p.m. and aimed the gun at the back of his
father’s head.

“He shot his dad first, [and] then he shot his mom, [and] then shot
again at his dad when [his father] rolled out of bed,” Williams
explained in the report. “Nathon said that when he was firing at his
mom and she tried to get up, so he fired at her twice more and she
stopped moving.”

Jonathan Brooks reportedly was able to call 9-1-1 to report that an
intruder had shot him and his wife. When police arrived, Nathon Brooks
told officers that the shooter had left.

But a video surveillance camera that the father had set up to monitor
his son clearly showed Nathon Brooks walking through the living room
while carrying a handgun, police said.

Moses Lake police had investigated Nathon Brooks in 2010 over
allegations that he molested a younger girl, but the boy had no
previous criminal charges.

Officials at Moses Lake Christian Academy, where Nathon Brooks went to
school, said they were shocked by the shooting.

“It’s been a difficult day for our family …[that] really is what we
are here, we’re a very tight-knit community and so it’s shocking to
all of us,” Moses Lake Christian Academy interim director told KXLK.
“I don’t know how anyone comes to grips with this. It’s a tragedy for
the family and for the community, not just Moses Lake Christian
Academy but for Moses Lake as a community.”

The academy released a statement on Tuesday saying that Jonothan
Brooks had been released from the hospital and was staying with his
wife as medical staff tried to stabilize her before surgery.

A family friend told KXLY that both parents were “doing well,” and
that Elizabeth Brooks was able to communicate through sign languange.

Nathon Brooks was being held in lieu of $500,000 bail.

This week, the video game industry said it would launch a campaign to
help educate parents about the video game rating system created by the
Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) and on how controls in
video games consoles could be used to limit access to violent content.

Following the mass shooting of 20 elementary school children in
Connecticut last year, Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay
Rockefeller (D-WV) introduced a bill to have the National Academy of
Sciences study the link between violent video games and violent acts
by children.


There's only one sensible thing to do, isn't there?
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Banish all music.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:16:48 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/13/2013 12:07 PM, jps wrote:


A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his
parents in the head after they restricted him from playing violent
video games.

Grant County prosecutors on Monday said that they were asking that
14-year-old Nathan Brooks be tried as an adult for the attempted
murder of his parents.

According to a Moses Lake police report obtained by iFIBER One News,
Nathon Brooks had considered killing his parents, 38-year-old Jonathan
Brooks and 39-year-old Elizabeth Brooks, since the age of 8. He had
recently been been grounded for two weeks from using “electronic
devices” — including playing video games — and had been punished with
detention for being late to class.

Nathon Brooks had admitted to police that he had been obsessed with
video games.

“He said he quit playing violent video games because he thought they
were making him more violent,” Moses Lake police Sgt. Mike Williams
noted in the document. “I asked him how much he played video games,
and he told me ‘24/7,’ up until he got his electronics taken away.”

Nathon Brooks indicated that he had decided to shoot his parents after
his mother told his he was “meeting the definition of insanity” by
disobeying over and over again. He said that his parents had been
angry after he recently took one of their credit cards.

On Friday, Police believe the boy pried open a gun safe to retrieve a
..22 caliber pistol. After listening to music for about 90 minutes, he
decided to kill his parents.

“He said he was rethinking it, but said ultimately the voice telling
him to do it was louder than the one telling him not to,” Williams
wrote. “He said he just heard over and over in his head that he would
be able to do whatever he wanted if he killed his parents.”

While his radio was recharging, Nathon Brooks quietly entered his
parents room just before 10 p.m. and aimed the gun at the back of his
father’s head.

“He shot his dad first, [and] then he shot his mom, [and] then shot
again at his dad when [his father] rolled out of bed,” Williams
explained in the report. “Nathon said that when he was firing at his
mom and she tried to get up, so he fired at her twice more and she
stopped moving.”

Jonathan Brooks reportedly was able to call 9-1-1 to report that an
intruder had shot him and his wife. When police arrived, Nathon Brooks
told officers that the shooter had left.

But a video surveillance camera that the father had set up to monitor
his son clearly showed Nathon Brooks walking through the living room
while carrying a handgun, police said.

Moses Lake police had investigated Nathon Brooks in 2010 over
allegations that he molested a younger girl, but the boy had no
previous criminal charges.

Officials at Moses Lake Christian Academy, where Nathon Brooks went to
school, said they were shocked by the shooting.

“It’s been a difficult day for our family …[that] really is what we
are here, we’re a very tight-knit community and so it’s shocking to
all of us,” Moses Lake Christian Academy interim director told KXLK.
“I don’t know how anyone comes to grips with this. It’s a tragedy for
the family and for the community, not just Moses Lake Christian
Academy but for Moses Lake as a community.”

The academy released a statement on Tuesday saying that Jonothan
Brooks had been released from the hospital and was staying with his
wife as medical staff tried to stabilize her before surgery.

A family friend told KXLY that both parents were “doing well,” and
that Elizabeth Brooks was able to communicate through sign languange.

Nathon Brooks was being held in lieu of $500,000 bail.

This week, the video game industry said it would launch a campaign to
help educate parents about the video game rating system created by the
Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) and on how controls in
video games consoles could be used to limit access to violent content.

Following the mass shooting of 20 elementary school children in
Connecticut last year, Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay
Rockefeller (D-WV) introduced a bill to have the National Academy of
Sciences study the link between violent video games and violent acts
by children.


There's only one sensible thing to do, isn't there?
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Banish all music.

Yeah because the music killed his parents. Or, it was access to the
****ing gun. What a ****brain.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. It's too bad that I didn't get any of that.

================================================== =

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 2:09 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. It's too bad that I didn't get any of that.

================================================== =



Ahhh. W'hine behaving just like his trashy right-wing brothers here,
changing the posts of other posters.

Figures.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/2013 1:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

How did you get so far off course? ( Setting a nautical tone)

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/2013 2:09 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. It's too bad that I didn't get any of that.

================================================== =


I know, Wayne. That remark left you speechless. ;-)

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/2013 2:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/13/13 2:09 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. It's too bad that I didn't get any of that.

================================================== =



Ahhh. W'hine behaving just like his trashy right-wing brothers here,
changing the posts of other posters.

Figures.

Cry all you want Krausie. You won't find a sympathetic ear here.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/2013 2:14 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?


God help the poor little buggers.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:02:23 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/13/2013 2:14 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?


God help the poor little buggers.

They're fine. As teenagers, they demonstrate more intelligence and
maturity than most of the wingers in rec.boats. Bright futures for
both.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Parables and fantasies are much more effective at teaching kids how to
live an ethically centered life.

My kids are still in the me, me, me stage but they're still not as
selfish as the wingers in rec.boats.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:14:37 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

Thank you. You made my point.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:57:50 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 3/13/2013 1:41 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

How did you get so far off course? ( Setting a nautical tone)

Please note that I didn't say that even though the door had opened.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:11:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Parables and fantasies are much more effective at teaching kids how to
live an ethically centered life.

My kids are still in the me, me, me stage but they're still not as
selfish as the wingers in rec.boats.

So why the slam at religion? It obviously has very little to do with the inheritance of values.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 3:36 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:11:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Parables and fantasies are much more effective at teaching kids how to
live an ethically centered life.

My kids are still in the me, me, me stage but they're still not as
selfish as the wingers in rec.boats.

So why the slam at religion? It obviously has very little to do with the inheritance of values.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


If religion has very little to do with the inheritance of values, then
what purpose does it serve?

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:32:59 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:14:37 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

Thank you. You made my point.

Who gives a **** about your point. My point is that you can't
outsource moral training for your kids. Too many religious people
just expect their kids to get it based on the family's commitment to a
church or religious school.

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

"jps" wrote in message
...

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

---------------------------------------------------

Yesterday, while in line at the supermarket, I was watching the antics
of a kid and his father who were checking out ahead of me.
I'd say the kid was about 8 or 9 years old and the father appeared to
be in his mid 30's.

The kid was a wise-assed brat. He was climbing up on the carts,
ignoring his father's gentle pleading to get down. In defiance the
brat climbed higher on the cart, glared at the father and said, "I
don't like you, and you can't tell me what to do".

The father continued to gently debate with the little brat, softly
asking him to get down. The kid refused. Finally the father bribed
the little brat with a promise to allow him to watch something on TV
when they got home.

The cashier was an older person (like me) in her 60's. We both stood
there in amazement watching the modern father negotiate with his
little brat.

My wife and I raised two boys and a girl. I disciplined the boys.
Mrs. E. took care of the daughter, mainly because the daughter scared
the bananas out of me. If either or both of the boys had ever acted
like the brat I witnessed in the store, they wouldn't be watching TV
sitting down for a while.
Of course, now-a-days, I'd probably go to jail.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:23:14 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:32:59 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:14:37 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

From their parents and extended family. We home school our kids in
moral and ethical values. Personal responsibility, eh?

Thank you. You made my point.

Who gives a **** about your point. My point is that you can't
outsource moral training for your kids. Too many religious people
just expect their kids to get it based on the family's commitment to a
church or religious school.

You're absolutely right about not outsourcing moral training. I'd never realized that too many
religious people had those expectations. Do you feel most of our drug and shooting problems are
because religious parents outsourced the teaching of values to their kids.

Sorry, morals come from observing your parents in action and how they
react to their child's behavior.

Great point. Don't know why you feel apologetic about it. I look at the spreadsheet of shootings in
Chicago for last year and wonder - did the majority of the parents of the killers outsource the
teaching of values?

http://tinyurl.com/co9qvch


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:38:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:36 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:11:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Parables and fantasies are much more effective at teaching kids how to
live an ethically centered life.

My kids are still in the me, me, me stage but they're still not as
selfish as the wingers in rec.boats.

So why the slam at religion? It obviously has very little to do with the inheritance of values.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


If religion has very little to do with the inheritance of values, then
what purpose does it serve?

Actually, I was being a tad sarcastic, but in a Christian sort of way - not trying to offend anyone.
If nothing else, just remember that Notre Dame has had great football teams, and Georgetown
University is doing quite well in basketball! I expect, if you did a little searching, you'd find
that religion has influenced or caused a tremendous amount of good in this world - along with some
bad of course.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.


I try hard not to lie. I think the Pope probably believes that a baby's life is precious, and
therefore abortion is wrong. Hopefully he'll spread the word about how precious is the life of a
baby.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 5:28 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.


I try hard not to lie. I think the Pope probably believes that a baby's life is precious, and
therefore abortion is wrong. Hopefully he'll spread the word about how precious is the life of a
baby.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I have no objection to the pope and others speaking out against
abortion. I have a problem when "religious people" try to shove that
religious belief down the throat of a secular country nationally and
make it nearly impossible or just plain impossible for a woman to get a
medically safe abortion in a location reasonably convenient to her.

You know, don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't try to
prevent your neighbor, who feels differently, from getting one.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:34:16 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:28 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.


I try hard not to lie. I think the Pope probably believes that a baby's life is precious, and
therefore abortion is wrong. Hopefully he'll spread the word about how precious is the life of a
baby.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I have no objection to the pope and others speaking out against
abortion. I have a problem when "religious people" try to shove that
religious belief down the throat of a secular country nationally and
make it nearly impossible or just plain impossible for a woman to get a
medically safe abortion in a location reasonably convenient to her.

You know, don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't try to
prevent your neighbor, who feels differently, from getting one.


I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/13 5:40 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:34:16 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:28 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.


I try hard not to lie. I think the Pope probably believes that a baby's life is precious, and
therefore abortion is wrong. Hopefully he'll spread the word about how precious is the life of a
baby.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I have no objection to the pope and others speaking out against
abortion. I have a problem when "religious people" try to shove that
religious belief down the throat of a secular country nationally and
make it nearly impossible or just plain impossible for a woman to get a
medically safe abortion in a location reasonably convenient to her.

You know, don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't try to
prevent your neighbor, who feels differently, from getting one.


I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I view abortion as a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy, the
decision over which is entirely within the woman's purview.

I'm not forcing my view on anyone. Many religious people would like to
force their view against abortion on others by eliminating the ability
to get one.

Don't like abortions? Don't get one.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:36:31 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:11:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Parables and fantasies are much more effective at teaching kids how to
live an ethically centered life.

My kids are still in the me, me, me stage but they're still not as
selfish as the wingers in rec.boats.

So why the slam at religion? It obviously has very little to do with the inheritance of values.


Salmonbait

So, when you said this, then you were just basically full of ****...
"And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing
acquire their basic values?"

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:09:23 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:38:02 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:36 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:11:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:24:58 -0700, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:26:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

How about parents? How about laws? You need a mythical being to tell
you what's right and wrong?? You're claiming that you wouldn't have
any moral compass without a god to direct you??

Parables and fantasies are much more effective at teaching kids how to
live an ethically centered life.

My kids are still in the me, me, me stage but they're still not as
selfish as the wingers in rec.boats.

So why the slam at religion? It obviously has very little to do with the inheritance of values.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


If religion has very little to do with the inheritance of values, then
what purpose does it serve?

Actually, I was being a tad sarcastic, but in a Christian sort of way - not trying to offend anyone.
If nothing else, just remember that Notre Dame has had great football teams, and Georgetown
University is doing quite well in basketball! I expect, if you did a little searching, you'd find
that religion has influenced or caused a tremendous amount of good in this world - along with some
bad of course.


Salmonbait

Well, it obviously hasn't influenced the likes of you for "good".

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:37:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:40 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:34:16 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:28 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.


I try hard not to lie. I think the Pope probably believes that a baby's life is precious, and
therefore abortion is wrong. Hopefully he'll spread the word about how precious is the life of a
baby.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I have no objection to the pope and others speaking out against
abortion. I have a problem when "religious people" try to shove that
religious belief down the throat of a secular country nationally and
make it nearly impossible or just plain impossible for a woman to get a
medically safe abortion in a location reasonably convenient to her.

You know, don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't try to
prevent your neighbor, who feels differently, from getting one.


I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I view abortion as a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy, the
decision over which is entirely within the woman's purview.

I'm not forcing my view on anyone. Many religious people would like to
force their view against abortion on others by eliminating the ability
to get one.

Don't like abortions? Don't get one.

Well, you and the Pope would probably disagree. Many religious people would like to protect the life
of the baby by eliminating the killing of it.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:40:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.

===

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:15:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:37:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:40 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:34:16 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:28 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:07:00 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 5:04 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 15:33:55 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 3:31 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 13:41:09 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 3/13/13 1:26 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:21:26 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:43:46 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:07:37 -0700, jps wrote:



A 14-year-old student at a Christian academy in Washington state has
been charged with attempted murder for allegedly shooting both of his

Thank God Muslims, Jews, and Secular Progressive Liberals never engage in such behavior!


Salmonbait

Attending a religiious school, you'd expect that experience and the
religious following of his parents to impart some basic values.

This kid hadn't developed enough sense to understand that killing his
parents would not lead to more freedom and time on his xbox.

He'll have time alright, not so much freedom.

And WTF is up with being able to pry the gun storage open?

And from where do those without the benefit of a religious upbringing acquire their basic values?

(Be careful now. You're about to step in it.)


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


From their parents, of course. Apparently yours were absent.

I had a strong "religious" upbringing and I had parents with strong
basic values. Too bad you didn't.

Exactly. So the religious aspect of jps' post was simply a little slam at religion. Totally
unnecessary. I'm glad you had the parents with strong basic values. Actually, my parents, like
yours, had strong basic values. I was just much less able to practice them as well as you.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


It's not apparent you practice them at all and, oh, by the way, your
church just elected a pope who doesn't share your values. The new pope,
Bergoglio, is known for personal humility, doctrinal conservatism and a
commitment to social justice. A simple lifestyle has contributed to his
reputation for humility. He lives in a small apartment, rather than in
the palatial bishop's residence. He gave up his chauffeured limousine in
favor of public transportation, and he reportedly cooks his own meals.

Not a guy who thinks much of Mitt Romney or the GOP.


Well, you know what they say, "Appearances are deceiving." I'm thrilled that you think so highly of
the new Pope. Actually, he and I have a lot in common. We share doctrinal conservatism
(anti-abortion, etc.), definitely believe in a simple lifestyle (can't afford any other!), hold
social justice in high regard, don't live in a McMansion, don't have any limousine, let alone a
chauffeur, and we both cook our own meals! He's spectacular.

Has he already discussed his politics?


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!



It's perfectly OK with me if the new pope is anti-abortion, so long as
he and his church don't try to shove that belief on our non-religious
society and country. I think you are either lying about your feelings
about social justice, or have a complete different definition in mind
than the usual one.


I try hard not to lie. I think the Pope probably believes that a baby's life is precious, and
therefore abortion is wrong. Hopefully he'll spread the word about how precious is the life of a
baby.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I have no objection to the pope and others speaking out against
abortion. I have a problem when "religious people" try to shove that
religious belief down the throat of a secular country nationally and
make it nearly impossible or just plain impossible for a woman to get a
medically safe abortion in a location reasonably convenient to her.

You know, don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But don't try to
prevent your neighbor, who feels differently, from getting one.


I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.


Salmonbait

--
Hope you're having a spectacular day!


I view abortion as a medical procedure to terminate a pregnancy, the
decision over which is entirely within the woman's purview.

I'm not forcing my view on anyone. Many religious people would like to
force their view against abortion on others by eliminating the ability
to get one.

Don't like abortions? Don't get one.

Well, you and the Pope would probably disagree. Many religious people would like to protect the life
of the baby by eliminating the killing of it.


Salmonbait

You're a big fan of the fetus, but I bet you haven't adopted too many
of the live ones. ****ing ****forbrains.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:13 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:40:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.

===

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

Why? Not according to the right-wing crazies... there's friends of the
fetus but not so much the actual baby.

Good Christian Upbringing
 

On 3/13/2013 10:06 PM, Urin Asshole wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 19:53:13 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:40:32 -0400, J Herring
wrote:

I believe that's where you and our new Pope disagree. He probably equates abortions with the killing
of a precious infant, whereas you seem to equate it with cutting down a weed in your yard.

You know, weed inconvenient? Kill it.

===

No woman should be forced to bring an unwanted child ino the world.

Think about that.

Why? Not according to the right-wing crazies... there's friends of the
fetus but not so much the actual baby.


Do you really expect anybody here to address your nonsense?