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On 2/20/2013 10:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 2/20/2013 9:04 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 5:24 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/19/13 5:17 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:


Make cell phones and computer screens blank out at 10 mph.. but they
will never do that...


Yeah...what happens if you are a passenger in a car or on a train or in
a bus?

You really don't know anything about anything.


Maybe you could go a few minutes without posting lame insults to usenet?
But of course typical liberal, that would save millions of lives, but it
would inconvenience you so of course you are against it. Not like you
are working all that hard to pay back the folks you stole from with your
several bankruptcies...

Being of the lazy, non-working type, you may not know this but a lot of
people actually get work done on their commutes with such conveniences.
You see, in the real world where people are employed, productivity is a
good thing. You should try it.


So, what are you doing for work lately? Oh wait, you are embarrassed to
say, I get it...

More than you, you lazy ****.


So, you can't say hey? LOL, unemployed obviously, that's why you are so
jealous that I work from home... got it.

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 9:26 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 8:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/19/13 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and
ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to
shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it
when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people
(let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all
those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the
seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on
the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not
limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can
tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when
the sun is shinning.



What's Meyer boating in this days...oh, I forgot...it's a state secret.

Neither you or Don have alluded to your current pride and joys. You
didn't get a Bayliner, did you?

harry krause can't tell us about anything now that we all know he's
hiding assets from folks he owes... Sucks to be him, what a scum bag.

At least you're not hiding assets, you have none. But you still owe
taxes and other debts.

I'm hiding assets? Another of PsychoSnotty's delusions.

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On 2/20/2013 5:48 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and felt something sharp, but not
bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over the place.

I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"

You forgot to get advise beforehand...?

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:58:56 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/20/2013 5:48 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and felt something sharp, but not
bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over the place.

I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"

You forgot to get advise beforehand...?

Let's see...am I looking for a verb or a noun.

Better get some lessons from UrineAsshole.

Salmonbait
--

"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride,it's only a fetus!"

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On 2/20/13 11:58 AM, thumper wrote:
On 2/20/2013 5:48 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and
felt something sharp, but not
bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over
the place.

I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"

You forgot to get advise beforehand...?



Maybe a family member left it there as a fervent wish.

--
I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist
racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work
for me.

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On 2/20/2013 9:08 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:58:56 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 2/20/2013 5:48 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and felt something sharp, but not
bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over the place.

I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"

You forgot to get advise beforehand...?

Let's see...am I looking for a verb or a noun.

Good catch. I shouldn't post before coffee.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:09:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/20/13 11:58 AM, thumper wrote:
On 2/20/2013 5:48 AM, Salmonbait wrote:

Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and
felt something sharp, but not
bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over
the place.

I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"

You forgot to get advise beforehand...?



Maybe a family member left it there as a fervent wish.

Nah.... Harry... you can confess to it!

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/13 3:46 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:48:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 2/19/13 9:00 AM, Eisboch wrote:
For kicks I looked up the leading causes of death in the USA.
Data
is
the final numbers from 2010 as published by the Center for
Disease
Control.
Surprisingly, firearms related deaths didn't make the top ten
and
firearms related homicides weren't even close to the top ten.
It's
interesting that deaths caused by traffic accidents numbered
about 3
times those of homicides involving firearms, but all the focus
is on
more gun control laws.

Personal note: This is not a excuse of deaths caused by
firearms,
but
rather an attempt to put it all in perspective.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Traffic accidents: 33,808
Firearms: 30,470 (19,392 suicides, 11,078 homicides)


There are solid statistically based predictions that state that
firearms
deaths will exceed traffic accident deaths in a couple of years.

Oh, you forgot to list the number of Americans who die of old
age. :)

On a more serious note, I only took one college-level statistics
course
and have forgotten most of what I ever learned about that sort of
math,
so I asked a family member who has taken four graduate-level
stats
courses about these sorts of comparisons (gun deaths vs. car
deaths
vs.
cancer deaths, et cetera) and got a chuckle in response. "Such
comparisions are based on silliness and are statistically absurd.
Yes,
more people die of cancer than of gunshot wounds but...so what?"

==========================

The number that surprised me was deaths by homicide involving
firearms. I read the same thing you did regarding firearm deaths
exceeding traffic deaths by 2015 however that includes suicides.
Unfortunately, although a gun is the method of choice for most
suicides, further gun restrictions won't eliminate them. As
stated
in my post, the data is presented simply to put things in
perspective. 11,078 firearms related homicides is too many of
course
but it's a reflection of violence in our society ... which also
cannot
be totally eliminated. There are bad people in the world. But
the
number is not the huge number that some of the media and
proponents of
even more gun control measure would like you to believe.

My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the
nation.
Permits require background checks and every purchase of a firearm
at a
dealer involves a telephone check and taking of an electronic
fingerprint to verify that you are who you say you are and your
permit
is valid. You must present a valid permit even for ammunition
purchases. But, our me-too governor has proposed and is
pushing for
even more restrictive laws including jail time for purchasing
more
than one firearm per month for existing permit holders, making
getting a permit more difficult, and putting a heavy state tax
(up to
50%) on all ammunition sales (even range target practice
rounds). I
don't see how that is going to affect the homicide rate by
firearms in
the country.
All it is is political posturing in reaction to a horrible but
isolated event caused by a kid who was severely disturbed .... as
are
all cases of mass murders.

By that twisted ****ing logic, we might as well do away with the
NTSB
and all the other safety protocols, since they result in fewer
deaths.
How about faulty cribs. What a load of horse****. You have a
product
that's killing 1000s of people, but since it doesn't kill as many
as
cancer, it's ok.

-------------------------------------------------------

The numbers were presented to put things in perspective. Of
course any
deaths due to firearms is not ok .... but the number, especially
in
homicides, is not what is being hyped by the media and others and
some
politicians are over-reacting IMO, like the governor of my state.


How are they overreacting? Because more people die from cancer?

Is cancer made by others in a factory for the sole purpose of killing
like a gun is? THAT is where you idiots sound so stupid.

--------------------------------------------------

First of all, I am not an idiot.
Second of all, although guns can kill, not all gun owners own them to
kill.

Third, and for the final time, the numbers I presented were not
intended to compare cancer to guns.
It was simply to establish some realism in terms of the major causes
of all deaths, including those by guns.
For a nation with a population of over 315 million, the number of
homicide deaths involving guns is relatively small.
Don't go off your rocker assuming that I therefore think that's ok.
Of course it isn't. But people have to be realistic when babbling
about new gun laws.



Well, good. You're not an idiot. Umm... the major cause of death is
death. Everyone dies. Your list isn't inclusive or accurate. What
about hospital deaths?

Who is not being realistic about gun laws and what does that have to
do with cancer deaths? If the two are unrelated, then there's no
reason to list them together... unless you want to list all the
causes, which might be a****ing long list.

If it's not ok, propose something that will help the situation...
here's a few... universal background checks, limiting the size of
clips, increase funding for mental health services, make it easier for
phychiatrists to report people who are dangerous, relax the limits on
how long transaction info can be stored, require all transactions of
guns to be recorded (just like a car.. if it's a family member, a
minimal fee is required), make these things federal not state, so guns
can't be bought in one state and moved to another without a record.

Feel free to add some of yourown.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:02:02 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 7:31 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:57 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:13:19 -0800, Urin Asshole
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:48:20 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 2/19/13 9:00 AM, Eisboch wrote:
For kicks I looked up the leading causes of death in the USA. Data
is
the final numbers from 2010 as published by the Center for Disease
Control.
Surprisingly, firearms related deaths didn't make the top ten and
firearms related homicides weren't even close to the top ten. It's
interesting that deaths caused by traffic accidents numbered about 3
times those of homicides involving firearms, but all the focus is on
more gun control laws.

Personal note: This is not a excuse of deaths caused by firearms,
but
rather an attempt to put it all in perspective.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Traffic accidents: 33,808
Firearms: 30,470 (19,392 suicides, 11,078 homicides)


There are solid statistically based predictions that state that
firearms
deaths will exceed traffic accident deaths in a couple of years.

Oh, you forgot to list the number of Americans who die of old age. :)

On a more serious note, I only took one college-level statistics
course
and have forgotten most of what I ever learned about that sort of
math,
so I asked a family member who has taken four graduate-level stats
courses about these sorts of comparisons (gun deaths vs. car deaths
vs.
cancer deaths, et cetera) and got a chuckle in response. "Such
comparisions are based on silliness and are statistically absurd. Yes,
more people die of cancer than of gunshot wounds but...so what?"

==========================

The number that surprised me was deaths by homicide involving
firearms. I read the same thing you did regarding firearm deaths
exceeding traffic deaths by 2015 however that includes suicides.
Unfortunately, although a gun is the method of choice for most
suicides, further gun restrictions won't eliminate them. As stated
in my post, the data is presented simply to put things in
perspective. 11,078 firearms related homicides is too many of course
but it's a reflection of violence in our society ... which also cannot
be totally eliminated. There are bad people in the world. But the
number is not the huge number that some of the media and proponents of
even more gun control measure would like you to believe.

My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
Permits require background checks and every purchase of a firearm at a
dealer involves a telephone check and taking of an electronic
fingerprint to verify that you are who you say you are and your permit
is valid. You must present a valid permit even for ammunition
purchases. But, our me-too governor has proposed and is pushing for
even more restrictive laws including jail time for purchasing more
than one firearm per month for existing permit holders, making
getting a permit more difficult, and putting a heavy state tax (up to
50%) on all ammunition sales (even range target practice rounds). I
don't see how that is going to affect the homicide rate by firearms in
the country.
All it is is political posturing in reaction to a horrible but
isolated event caused by a kid who was severely disturbed .... as are
all cases of mass murders.

By that twisted ****ing logic, we might as well do away with the NTSB
and all the other safety protocols, since they result in fewer deaths.
How about faulty cribs. What a load of horse****. You have a product
that's killing 1000s of people, but since it doesn't kill as many as
cancer, it's ok.

Where, Mr. U. Asshole, did he say 'it's OK'?


Salmonbait

--
'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument!

You know you live in a Country run by idiots if...
....the death penalty is a 'no-no', but death by Hellfire
*without* a trial is AOK!

That was foad's comment. Are you confused or is foad really urine A.

They are one in the same...

Stupid.

I corrected your post.

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:37:14 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
om...

On 2/19/13 6:17 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

Do you really think I am gonna' read any of this? LOL!


Hey, most of your posts make absolutely no sense. Why should your
latest
idea of having everyone's cells shut off at 10 mph be any different.

Oh...my wife just messaged me from her iPhone. Her commuter bus, the
one
on which is she a passenger and the one that travels at more than 10
mph
except when it is stuck in traffic arrived at her stop downtown 10
minutes late so she probably will be home a littler later than usual.

Under your plan, she wouldn't be able to send such a message.

You're a moron.

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If I were king one of the first commands I would issue is to
completely ban the use of smart phones and their manufacture.
Cell phones with voice-only would be permitted. No texting
capability, no internet access. Smart phones with people walking,
driving,
shopping and whatever with a phone stuck under their nose and thumbs
flying on the tiny keyboards would be outlawed.

I think smart phones are having a major affect on how people
communicate and relate to each other, much the same as how people
communicate here in this newsgroup. It's an inward, isolated world
without benefit of real human interaction and body language. Very
few of the foul mouthed, derogatory and insulting comments would be
made in this newsgroup if those involved were physically present to
each other.



Wait a sec... you're for banning smart phones, but not for some
reasonable restrictions on gun purchases???????