Death statistics
 

On 2/20/13 7:59 AM, Tim wrote:
On Feb 20, 6:45 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The decline in personal, face to face communications began in earnest
with the advent in the 1980s of bulletin boards and commercial services
like CompuServ. All the smart phones have done in that regard is make
such "communication" more accessible and portable.

I see virtually none of the foul behavior you mentioned on the moderated
boards I frequent for chatting and learning more about boating,
computers, smart phones. I see very little of it on FaceBook, but then,
I do pick and choose my friends there, and if I encounter someone who is
overly aggressive or foul-mouthed or insulting, I just drop that person.
I'm in a couple of affinity groups with literally hundreds of posters
and virtually everyone seems to behave reasonably.

rec.boats was a reasonably pleasant place until the extreme righties
drove almost everyone off. Most of the posters here are righties, and
they've tea-partied the joint. There's less than a handful of us
remaining here who are moderate right to moderate left and in the middle.

Harry, I'm glad I read this before I went to work. This was the laugh
of the day.

Thanks again!


Maybe you should drop your crazy right-wing friends from rec.boats off
your Facebook friends list. :)

--
I'm a *Liberal* because I knew the militant christian fundamentalist
racist militaristic xenophobic corporate oligarchy wasn't going to work
for me.

Death statistics
 

On 2/20/2013 7:59 AM, Tim wrote:
On Feb 20, 6:45 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The decline in personal, face to face communications began in earnest
with the advent in the 1980s of bulletin boards and commercial services
like CompuServ. All the smart phones have done in that regard is make
such "communication" more accessible and portable.

I see virtually none of the foul behavior you mentioned on the moderated
boards I frequent for chatting and learning more about boating,
computers, smart phones. I see very little of it on FaceBook, but then,
I do pick and choose my friends there, and if I encounter someone who is
overly aggressive or foul-mouthed or insulting, I just drop that person.
I'm in a couple of affinity groups with literally hundreds of posters
and virtually everyone seems to behave reasonably.

rec.boats was a reasonably pleasant place until the extreme righties
drove almost everyone off. Most of the posters here are righties, and
they've tea-partied the joint. There's less than a handful of us
remaining here who are moderate right to moderate left and in the middle.

Harry, I'm glad I read this before I went to work. This was the laugh
of the day.

Thanks again!

When I reat vomit like that, I think of the story "The emperor's new
clothes" Harry is clueless.

Death statistics
 

On 2/20/2013 8:04 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/20/13 7:59 AM, Tim wrote:
On Feb 20, 6:45 am, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The decline in personal, face to face communications began in earnest
with the advent in the 1980s of bulletin boards and commercial services
like CompuServ. All the smart phones have done in that regard is make
such "communication" more accessible and portable.

I see virtually none of the foul behavior you mentioned on the moderated
boards I frequent for chatting and learning more about boating,
computers, smart phones. I see very little of it on FaceBook, but then,
I do pick and choose my friends there, and if I encounter someone who is
overly aggressive or foul-mouthed or insulting, I just drop that person.
I'm in a couple of affinity groups with literally hundreds of posters
and virtually everyone seems to behave reasonably.

rec.boats was a reasonably pleasant place until the extreme righties
drove almost everyone off. Most of the posters here are righties, and
they've tea-partied the joint. There's less than a handful of us
remaining here who are moderate right to moderate left and in the
middle.

Harry, I'm glad I read this before I went to work. This was the laugh
of the day.

Thanks again!


Maybe you should drop your crazy right-wing friends from rec.boats off
your Facebook friends list. :)

Grown ups find Facebook a self imposed dangerous risk of invasion of
privacy.

Death statistics
 

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:36:09 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:19:14 -0500, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:58:33 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

The number of suicides by gun might drop if it were a bit more difficult
and time consuming to buy pistols. In my state, there's a waiting period
that ends up running about 10 days from purchase to approval by the
state police. If you are suicidal and want a gun to end it and you don't
have one, you might change your mind in 10 days.

Not likely. Most people who seriously contemplate suicide, eventually
decide to do it. Japan has a much higher suicide rate than the US and
they have virtually zero firearms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aokigahara

They're really good at sharpening knives too.

Salmonbait

I love my Japanese water stone. I have also used a Dozuki too. And, I
pulled the Dozuki across my finger nail by accident once. It always
amazes me when you do something stupid to yourself and the first things
you see is the blood, bright red and oozing, and them the pain hits.

Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and felt something sharp, but not
bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over the place.

I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"

Oh well.

Salmonbait
--

"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride,
that's just a fetus!"

Death statistics
 

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 2:00 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 11:49 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/19/13 11:33 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 2/19/2013 11:06 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

On 2/19/2013 9:56 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 9:55 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:48:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 2/19/13 9:00 AM, Eisboch wrote:
For kicks I looked up the leading causes of death in the USA.
Data
is
the final numbers from 2010 as published by the Center for Disease
Control.
Surprisingly, firearms related deaths didn't make the top ten and
firearms related homicides weren't even close to the top ten.
It's
interesting that deaths caused by traffic accidents numbered
about 3
times those of homicides involving firearms, but all the focus
is on
more gun control laws.

Personal note: This is not a excuse of deaths caused by firearms,
but
rather an attempt to put it all in perspective.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Traffic accidents: 33,808
Firearms: 30,470 (19,392 suicides, 11,078 homicides)


There are solid statistically based predictions that state that
firearms
deaths will exceed traffic accident deaths in a couple of years.

Oh, you forgot to list the number of Americans who die of old
age. :)

On a more serious note, I only took one college-level statistics
course
and have forgotten most of what I ever learned about that sort of
math,
so I asked a family member who has taken four graduate-level stats
courses about these sorts of comparisons (gun deaths vs. car deaths
vs.
cancer deaths, et cetera) and got a chuckle in response. "Such
comparisions are based on silliness and are statistically absurd.
Yes,
more people die of cancer than of gunshot wounds but...so what?"

==========================

The number that surprised me was deaths by homicide involving
firearms. I read the same thing you did regarding firearm deaths
exceeding traffic deaths by 2015 however that includes suicides.
Unfortunately, although a gun is the method of choice for most
suicides, further gun restrictions won't eliminate them. As
stated
in my post, the data is presented simply to put things in
perspective. 11,078 firearms related homicides is too many of
course
but it's a reflection of violence in our society ... which also
cannot
be totally eliminated. There are bad people in the world. But
the
number is not the huge number that some of the media and
proponents of
even more gun control measure would like you to believe.

My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Funny how it's the bigger nanny states, they really don't want their
citizens to have a "say" in their government... Mass is a perfect
example.

You stupid little fool!!!

You fat old drunk... do you really think I am gonna' read anything you
write?



Yup. Because...you do.

He tripped himself up just as you have done on many occasions.

Nope... I just look at the screen. Usually by the first sentence I see
if it's kevin, don, asshole, the other asshole.. etc.. and I skip to the
next post. I never see the meat as none of them can write a decent post...

Yes, we realize that you are proud of your ignorance. A wise person, if
they didn't want to read and understand what they've read, wouldn't
comment on what they didn't read, it just makes you look dumber.

Death statistics
 

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/13 3:46 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:48:20 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 2/19/13 9:00 AM, Eisboch wrote:
For kicks I looked up the leading causes of death in the USA. Data
is
the final numbers from 2010 as published by the Center for Disease
Control.
Surprisingly, firearms related deaths didn't make the top ten and
firearms related homicides weren't even close to the top ten. It's
interesting that deaths caused by traffic accidents numbered about 3
times those of homicides involving firearms, but all the focus is on
more gun control laws.

Personal note: This is not a excuse of deaths caused by firearms,
but
rather an attempt to put it all in perspective.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Traffic accidents: 33,808
Firearms: 30,470 (19,392 suicides, 11,078 homicides)


There are solid statistically based predictions that state that
firearms
deaths will exceed traffic accident deaths in a couple of years.

Oh, you forgot to list the number of Americans who die of old age. :)

On a more serious note, I only took one college-level statistics
course
and have forgotten most of what I ever learned about that sort of
math,
so I asked a family member who has taken four graduate-level stats
courses about these sorts of comparisons (gun deaths vs. car deaths
vs.
cancer deaths, et cetera) and got a chuckle in response. "Such
comparisions are based on silliness and are statistically absurd. Yes,
more people die of cancer than of gunshot wounds but...so what?"

==========================

The number that surprised me was deaths by homicide involving
firearms. I read the same thing you did regarding firearm deaths
exceeding traffic deaths by 2015 however that includes suicides.
Unfortunately, although a gun is the method of choice for most
suicides, further gun restrictions won't eliminate them. As stated
in my post, the data is presented simply to put things in
perspective. 11,078 firearms related homicides is too many of course
but it's a reflection of violence in our society ... which also cannot
be totally eliminated. There are bad people in the world. But the
number is not the huge number that some of the media and proponents of
even more gun control measure would like you to believe.

My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
Permits require background checks and every purchase of a firearm at a
dealer involves a telephone check and taking of an electronic
fingerprint to verify that you are who you say you are and your permit
is valid. You must present a valid permit even for ammunition
purchases. But, our me-too governor has proposed and is pushing for
even more restrictive laws including jail time for purchasing more
than one firearm per month for existing permit holders, making
getting a permit more difficult, and putting a heavy state tax (up to
50%) on all ammunition sales (even range target practice rounds). I
don't see how that is going to affect the homicide rate by firearms in
the country.
All it is is political posturing in reaction to a horrible but
isolated event caused by a kid who was severely disturbed .... as are
all cases of mass murders.

By that twisted ****ing logic, we might as well do away with the NTSB
and all the other safety protocols, since they result in fewer deaths.
How about faulty cribs. What a load of horse****. You have a product
that's killing 1000s of people, but since it doesn't kill as many as
cancer, it's ok.

-------------------------------------------------------

The numbers were presented to put things in perspective. Of course any
deaths due to firearms is not ok .... but the number, especially in
homicides, is not what is being hyped by the media and others and some
politicians are over-reacting IMO, like the governor of my state.


How are they overreacting? Because more people die from cancer?

Is cancer made by others in a factory for the sole purpose of killing
like a gun is? THAT is where you idiots sound so stupid.

Death statistics
 

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 9:26 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 8:15 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/19/13 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and
ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to
shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it
when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people
(let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all
those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the
seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on
the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not
limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can
tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when
the sun is shinning.



What's Meyer boating in this days...oh, I forgot...it's a state secret.

Neither you or Don have alluded to your current pride and joys. You
didn't get a Bayliner, did you?

harry krause can't tell us about anything now that we all know he's
hiding assets from folks he owes... Sucks to be him, what a scum bag.

At least you're not hiding assets, you have none. But you still owe
taxes and other debts.

Death statistics
 

On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:48:30 AM UTC-4, Salmonbait wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:36:09 -0500, BAR wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:19:14 -0500, BAR wrote:



In article ,

says...



On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:58:33 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



The number of suicides by gun might drop if it were a bit more difficult

and time consuming to buy pistols. In my state, there's a waiting period

that ends up running about 10 days from purchase to approval by the

state police. If you are suicidal and want a gun to end it and you don't

have one, you might change your mind in 10 days.



Not likely. Most people who seriously contemplate suicide, eventually

decide to do it. Japan has a much higher suicide rate than the US and

they have virtually zero firearms.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aokigahara



They're really good at sharpening knives too.



Salmonbait



I love my Japanese water stone. I have also used a Dozuki too. And, I

pulled the Dozuki across my finger nail by accident once. It always

amazes me when you do something stupid to yourself and the first things

you see is the blood, bright red and oozing, and them the pain hits.



Yesterday I was scratching around in my desk drawer for something and felt something sharp, but not

bad. Turned out to be a single edge razor blade. Had blood all over the place.



I'm thinking, "Why the **** did I leave a razor blade in my desk drawer?"



Oh well.



Salmonbait

--



"That's not a baby kicking, dear Bride,

that's just a fetus!"


....and now you'll be a gun owners??
Lord help the unsuspecting citizens of your town.

Death statistics
 

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 9:23 PM, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 8:11 PM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 February 2013 20:29:00 UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 2/19/2013 4:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:19:17 -0500, Meyer wrote:



On 2/19/2013 12:52 PM, True North wrote:

On Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:37:36 PM UTC-4,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:08:57 -0800, jps wrote:







Why is it considered punishment to limit the number of guns and
ammo



that are owned by the public?







What would be the point?







Is it punishment that I want to own a tank with the capacity to
shell



an area of the desert that wouldn't be affected by my hobby? Why



can't I own surface to air missles so that I can shoot down my own



drones? Why can't I own a mortar setup so I can play with it
when I



want to?







Why am I being punished?







That is a red herring, those things have been illegal for 50 years











I wonder what would happen with the suicide stats if guns were



incapable of shooting the person holding them. Would they find



another way? What percentage? Should we make other, less violent



methods available to suicidal persons?







The lack of guns has not affected the suicide rate in Japan, one of



the left's favorite example of gun control.











Lastly, what do you suppose the percentages of young people
(let's say



under 20) that die in gun related homicides or suicides vs all
those



other maladies? I'm sure a lot die in car accidents but all those



stats above? Not so many.







The ratio of young people who die in cars is pretty close to guns.







Maybe we should ban any car that goes over 70 MPH, put mandatory



breatholizers on the ignition and keep them from running if the seat



belts are not fastened. (they actually tried that in 1974)



That might save more people than banning guns.





Might not be a bad idea...doesn't seem sensible to put autos on
the road capable of double the legal speed...or more.

Some kind of limiter could keep speed down to 75 or so while not
limiting towing capacity.



What's the towing capacity of your Rav 4?



If it's a 2009 with a v6, and he's really full of bravado, he can
tow 2000lbs. That doesn't mean he

can *stop* it though.





Salmonbait





I don't think he has the gutsy V6 His new boat is 3 times the

princecraft. It's hard to believe he can tow that hefty boat with that

pyrite gray devil of a rave 4.


Actually, it's closer to 4X, StinkyOne.
BTW it's pyrite mica... that would be a very pleasing dark bronze when
the sun is shinning.

Didn't realize that the old boat was only 240 lbs You must have got 2
footitis and moved all the way up to 16 feets. Lessee 850 lbs for the
boat. 200 lbs for the engine. 500 lbs for the trlr. 200 lbs of gear and
batteries and you are a tad overloaded. It's not a matter of the engine
pulling it. But , CAN YOU STOP on a moderate downgrade with the car
loaded up with passengers and more gear. I think John already cautioned
you about that.

Assholes like him don't give a **** about "your" family. They always
justify it with **** like "I only tow a little way", etc... In reality
they are just selfish assholes, but you knew that.

Oh, now Scotty all of a sudden worries about "family". The guy who had
his daughter watch while he typed about sucking dicks, then when someone
says something doing that, says, "she already knows all about it". The
guy who is too lazy to get a real job and provide for said "family",
along with things like health insurance, etc. The one who condones
smoking roll your own cigarettes even after BOTH have had cancer.
Bright.

Death statistics
 

In article ,
says...

On 2/19/2013 4:57 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:13:19 -0800, Urin Asshole wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:48:20 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
...

On 2/19/13 9:00 AM, Eisboch wrote:
For kicks I looked up the leading causes of death in the USA. Data
is
the final numbers from 2010 as published by the Center for Disease
Control.
Surprisingly, firearms related deaths didn't make the top ten and
firearms related homicides weren't even close to the top ten. It's
interesting that deaths caused by traffic accidents numbered about 3
times those of homicides involving firearms, but all the focus is on
more gun control laws.

Personal note: This is not a excuse of deaths caused by firearms,
but
rather an attempt to put it all in perspective.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Traffic accidents: 33,808
Firearms: 30,470 (19,392 suicides, 11,078 homicides)


There are solid statistically based predictions that state that
firearms
deaths will exceed traffic accident deaths in a couple of years.

Oh, you forgot to list the number of Americans who die of old age. :)

On a more serious note, I only took one college-level statistics
course
and have forgotten most of what I ever learned about that sort of
math,
so I asked a family member who has taken four graduate-level stats
courses about these sorts of comparisons (gun deaths vs. car deaths
vs.
cancer deaths, et cetera) and got a chuckle in response. "Such
comparisions are based on silliness and are statistically absurd. Yes,
more people die of cancer than of gunshot wounds but...so what?"

==========================

The number that surprised me was deaths by homicide involving
firearms. I read the same thing you did regarding firearm deaths
exceeding traffic deaths by 2015 however that includes suicides.
Unfortunately, although a gun is the method of choice for most
suicides, further gun restrictions won't eliminate them. As stated
in my post, the data is presented simply to put things in
perspective. 11,078 firearms related homicides is too many of course
but it's a reflection of violence in our society ... which also cannot
be totally eliminated. There are bad people in the world. But the
number is not the huge number that some of the media and proponents of
even more gun control measure would like you to believe.

My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
Permits require background checks and every purchase of a firearm at a
dealer involves a telephone check and taking of an electronic
fingerprint to verify that you are who you say you are and your permit
is valid. You must present a valid permit even for ammunition
purchases. But, our me-too governor has proposed and is pushing for
even more restrictive laws including jail time for purchasing more
than one firearm per month for existing permit holders, making
getting a permit more difficult, and putting a heavy state tax (up to
50%) on all ammunition sales (even range target practice rounds). I
don't see how that is going to affect the homicide rate by firearms in
the country.
All it is is political posturing in reaction to a horrible but
isolated event caused by a kid who was severely disturbed .... as are
all cases of mass murders.

By that twisted ****ing logic, we might as well do away with the NTSB
and all the other safety protocols, since they result in fewer deaths.
How about faulty cribs. What a load of horse****. You have a product
that's killing 1000s of people, but since it doesn't kill as many as
cancer, it's ok.

Where, Mr. U. Asshole, did he say 'it's OK'?

He never did, that's how loogie starts more dumb tangents... he's a
liar, not a man at all, just a disturbed little twit like harry, looking
for success on the net. Makes them feel better for their failures to
come here and pretend they are useful to somebody...

We all know loog almost drank himself to death, \

Cite?



then pushed his wife
down the stairs,

Cite?



then his kid,

Cite?
then left the bbq burning on his porch
almost burned his kid out of her bed.....

Cite?

In other words, not one bit of truth, you lying pig. you low life scum
come here and say that others are lying, and NONE of the above is true.
What a piece of **** you really, truly are. You don't even have the
balls to support your family. Now go roll some Bugler for your cancerous
wife, asshole.