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On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

On 12/31/2012 10:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:49:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

So, you are drawing specifics from the widest possible generality?

Like I said, if you look at what we know about most of these guys are
non-functional in society long before they go off. More than likely
couldn't hold a teaching job, especially if they were trained and
regularly monitored as being an armed teacher should be, just like
trained airline pilots.

The biggest problem is the teachers union will use this to give some
sort of "carry pay" or "privelages" to the top seniority teachers with
no regard to physical and mental ability. If it ever happens we have to
keep the training, choosing, and monitoring away from the Unions who
will not do the right thing for the kids... we already know that.... If
it stays with the unions, it will turn into another nepotism situation
like most extraneous jobs in the teachers union...

On 12/31/12 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:

Like I said, if you look at what we know about most of these guys are
non-functional in society long before they go off.

No, actually "we don't" know that.




The biggest problem is the teachers union will use this to give some
sort of "carry pay" or "privelages" to the top seniority teachers with
no regard to physical and mental ability.

The biggest problem here is that your general ignorance and hatred of
those with actual educations trips you up every time.



If it ever happens we have to
keep the training, choosing, and monitoring away from the Unions who
will not do the right thing for the kids... we already know that.... If
it stays with the unions, it will turn into another nepotism situation
like most extraneous jobs in the teachers union...


Right, we should hire guys like you who have never held or kept a
responsible job in your entire frippin' lifetime.

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/31/2012 10:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:49:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html


It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of
trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the
issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with
crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them
for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and
fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be
any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

So, you are drawing specifics from the widest possible generality?

Like I said, if you look at what we know about most of these guys are
non-functional in society long before they go off. More than likely
couldn't hold a teaching job, especially if they were trained and
regularly monitored as being an armed teacher should be, just like
trained airline pilots.

The biggest problem is the teachers union will use this to give some
sort of "carry pay" or "privelages" to the top seniority teachers with
no regard to physical and mental ability. If it ever happens we have to
keep the training, choosing, and monitoring away from the Unions who
will not do the right thing for the kids... we already know that.... If
it stays with the unions, it will turn into another nepotism situation
like most extraneous jobs in the teachers union...



Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.

In article , says...

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/31/2012 10:58 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:49:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html


It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of
trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the
issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with
crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them
for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and
fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be
any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

So, you are drawing specifics from the widest possible generality?

Like I said, if you look at what we know about most of these guys are
non-functional in society long before they go off. More than likely
couldn't hold a teaching job, especially if they were trained and
regularly monitored as being an armed teacher should be, just like
trained airline pilots.

The biggest problem is the teachers union will use this to give some
sort of "carry pay" or "privelages" to the top seniority teachers with
no regard to physical and mental ability. If it ever happens we have to
keep the training, choosing, and monitoring away from the Unions who
will not do the right thing for the kids... we already know that.... If
it stays with the unions, it will turn into another nepotism situation
like most extraneous jobs in the teachers union...



Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.

And in your insane eyes, this would make that person mentally stable????

On 12/31/12 11:37 AM, JustWait wrote:

Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


You're barely literate and you're coming with "plans" on educating and
putting armed guards in the public schools? Funny stuff.

In article , says...

On 12/31/12 11:37 AM, JustWait wrote:

Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


You're barely literate and you're coming with "plans" on educating and
putting armed guards in the public schools? Funny stuff.

You are fiscally irresponsible and you continue to tell us that we don't
spend our money correctly, the government can do it better for us.

On 1/1/2013 8:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/31/12 11:37 AM, JustWait wrote:

Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


You're barely literate and you're coming with "plans" on educating and
putting armed guards in the public schools? Funny stuff.

You are a pedophile, we don't even want to know what your plans would be
for the kids...

You are fiscally irresponsible and you continue to tell us that we don't
spend our money correctly, the government can do it better for us.

On 1/1/13 10:26 AM, JustWait wrote:

In article , says...

On 12/31/12 11:37 AM, JustWait wrote:

Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple
years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


You're barely literate and you're coming with "plans" on educating and
putting armed guards in the public schools? Funny stuff.

You are a pedophile, we don't even want to know what your plans would be
for the kids...

You are projecting your pedophilia onto others, little **** of a boy-man.

On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?