Generator
 

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:39:16 -0500, wrote:

If you go, get a green map. They have all the USFS roads on it.

===

Where do you get the maps?

I get good topos from mapmart.com

Generator
 

On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:21:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...


You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine.



This is why most of those ratings from Consumer Reports and JD Power are
useless. I laugh every time I hear a commercial where they tout the
car's high marks from a JD Power Initial Quality report. What they don't
tell you is that this survey was taken within the first 3 months of
ownership. Most people are still in the honeymoon phase of their car
purchase for the first 6 months and they often refuse to criticize their
purchase decision.

Some of their tests of new items are somewhat valid, but the car test results are about as useful as most of the R&T or C&D tests. Which is to say, a little bit of info surrounded by a lot of biased fluff.

CR's reliability info on 3-5 year old cars is generally good, though. That doesn't help much in buying new.

Mostly, CR and JD is helpful for people that can't think on their own.

Generator
 

On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:

Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig.

Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel.

Generator
 

On 12/28/12 8:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/27/2012 5:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:37:35 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:36:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...





Here ya go!



http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf



Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is

what's called a 'Toy Hauler'

fifth wheel.



---------------------------------------------------



Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it

and had the most miserable week of my life.



My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and

were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my

older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping.

I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy

Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch

installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would

come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford

250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the

dealership.



My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground

in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it

is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other.

The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor

with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool.



Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the

hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every

afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC

units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured

outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.



One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to

have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young

daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I

looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the

master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of

water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in

the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink

and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into

the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet

vac while the rest started sopping up the water.



Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and

his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her

husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the

road.



By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's

spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had

just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle

snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a

broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids.



So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck

to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the

trailer.

Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop.



The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV

classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada.



BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I

first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to

make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class

A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three,

I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we

eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We

ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it

home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in

it.



Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much

rather live on a boat.









We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV

and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few

days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was

infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much

bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time.



The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he



http://mainestayinn.com/



No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great

breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping

and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at

Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W.

Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were

about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach

and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I

love the Maine coastline.



On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see

relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine

Stay. No bugs.

That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future.
The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born.


Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when
we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad.
There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away,
and it is worth a day's visit.

Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere,
shop and go to a mall.

If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well
worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows
tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery

If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a
great treat.

I've been to Maine on two different occasions. I sure as hell didn't
spend my time holed up in a hotel and shopping.

And you didn't visit the LLBean store?

No, I can buy LL Bean stuff from their catalog. I had better things to
do than shop.

The LLBean store has much more than just shopping.

But, I understand your reluctance to engage in such a thing.


Care to enlighten me?

They have a lot of touristy things to get you there to shop.



First, the L.L. Bean flagship store ain't in Kennebunkport. The flagship
store is huge, and there are other L.L. Bean stores in the same town,
including hunting, fishing, boating stores. If you like what the stores
sell, the flagship store in Freeport is a great place to visit.

Second, it is a very large, very interesting store with lots of
displays and merchandise that isn't necessarily in the catalog.

Third, if you are interested in what L.L. Bean sells, and you still have
questions, you can see the actual merchandise at the big store and ask
questions. Sure, you can also do this at any of the L.L. Bean retail
stores, but none of the retail stores has the variety of selection and
sizes on hand as the "home" store.

Fourth, visiting the flagship store of L.L. Bean is an interesting
experience.

I like the L.L. Bean stores. In fact, on our infrequent visits to
Northern Virginia, it is one of three stores there I'll waste time in at
the big Tysons shopping mall while my wife shops. The other two are the
Apple store and Restoration Hardware.

Generator
 

On 12/28/2012 8:45 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote:
wrote:

On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

In article ,



snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen

Because I could.

At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still
leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there.





We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000



miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or



twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever.

Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the
Aspen/Volarie.

I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by
Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old.

I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out
of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too
bad, I did like that old slant six engine.

According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in

history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie.



http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html

You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports
praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the
problems revealed themselves after I bought mine.


Hope you learned something from that.

So funny listening to the little creep make excuses just like he does
for everything... LOL!

Generator
 

On 12/28/12 9:21 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/28/2012 8:45 AM, Meyer wrote:
On 12/27/2012 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote:
wrote:

On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

In article ,



snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen

Because I could.

At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still
leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there.





We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over
300,000



miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up
once or



twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever.

Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the
Aspen/Volarie.

I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by
Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years
old.

I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out
of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too
bad, I did like that old slant six engine.

According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in

history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie.



http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html

You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports
praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the
problems revealed themselves after I bought mine.


Hope you learned something from that.

So funny listening to the little creep make excuses just like he does
for everything... LOL!


Hardly anything here funnier than you calling someone a "little creep."
Hell, you are the definition of little creep.

Generator
 

In article ,
says...

On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:21:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article ,

says...


You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine.



This is why most of those ratings from Consumer Reports and JD Power are
useless. I laugh every time I hear a commercial where they tout the
car's high marks from a JD Power Initial Quality report. What they don't
tell you is that this survey was taken within the first 3 months of
ownership. Most people are still in the honeymoon phase of their car
purchase for the first 6 months and they often refuse to criticize their
purchase decision.

Some of their tests of new items are somewhat valid, but the car test results are about as useful as most of the R&T or C&D tests. Which is to say, a little bit of info surrounded by a lot of biased fluff.

CR's reliability info on 3-5 year old cars is generally good, though. That doesn't help much in buying new.

Mostly, CR and JD is helpful for people that can't think on their own.

At least they aren't swayed by their advertisers.

Generator
 

In article om,
says...

On 12/27/2012 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote:
wrote:

On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

In article ,



snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen

Because I could.

At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there.





We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000



miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or



twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever.

Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie.

I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old.

I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine.

According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in

history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie.



http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html

You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine.


Hope you learned something from that.

I'm betting not.

Generator
 

On 12/28/12 9:47 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 12/27/2012 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:03:03 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote:
wrote:

On Monday, December 24, 2012 2:13:42 PM UTC-4, BAR wrote:

In article ,



snip

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Aspen

Because I could.

At the time I also looked at the new Honda Accord but was still leery of Japanese cars. Guess I made a mistake there.





We had a Datsun 1200 Sedan. It lasted for about 13 years, over 300,000



miles and it had its oil change once or twice. It was tuned up once or



twice just keep filling it with gas and it would go forever.

Forgot that at the time, Consumer Reports was recommending the Aspen/Volarie.

I did get the new fenders for no charge and I had it rustproofed by Bondco but there was a hole in my tailgate before it was two years old.

I kept it for five years and becaused I lived about 18 -20 miles out of town back then, the road salt really did a job on the car. Too bad, I did like that old slant six engine.

According to this, they were Consumer Reports most recalled car in

history. Better do more research to back up your BS, Donnie.



http://www.allpar.com/model/fstories.html

You stupid jackass...I purchased a 1977 model...after Consumer Reports praised the 1st year new Aspen/Volarie models of 1976. All the problems revealed themselves after I bought mine.


Hope you learned something from that.

I'm betting not.


The funniest running gag on rec.boats is how you and several others make
negative comments about the possessions of others but never or hardly
ever discuss your own possessions or, of course, post photos of them.

Generator
 

In article ,
says...

On 12/28/12 8:55 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/27/2012 5:21 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:37:35 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:36:57 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:18:23 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 12/27/12 11:01 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:15:18 AM UTC-4, ESAD wrote:
On 12/27/12 8:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:





"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

...





Here ya go!



http://www.rvwholesalers.com/resourc...aptor_2012.pdf



Everything you want in one place. Keep clicking the down arrow. This is

what's called a 'Toy Hauler'

fifth wheel.



---------------------------------------------------



Looks familiar. We had the 377-SE version. Went "camping" once with it

and had the most miserable week of my life.



My daughter started it all. She and her husband were into camping and

were purchasing a new travel trailer. She convinced Mrs.E and I and my

older son and his wife to get a trailer as well for "family" camping.

I saw it as a good excuse to get a new truck, so I bought the Raptor Toy

Hauler along with a Ford 350 Diesel and had the fifth wheel hitch

installed. I had a Harley at the time and figured the toy hauler would

come in handy. My son bought a slightly smaller fifth wheel and a Ford

250 with the V-10. We all picked up our new RV's the same day at the

dealership.



My daughter made reservations for all of us for a week at a campground

in New Hampshire that they visited often. I forget what the name of it

is. I call it "Marty Moose Land". We all had sites beside each other.

The trip to the campground was uneventful. The Ford pulled the Raptor

with no problem and I thought this was going to be pretty cool.



Well, that particular week in the mountains of New Hampshire was the

hottest, most humid week I've spent anywhere. Big thunderstorms every

afternoon kept us all huddled inside our respective RV's with the AC

units running at full blast. When it stopped raining and we ventured

outside, the mosquitoes were waiting to draw blood.



One humid, sultry afternoon, we were sitting at my son's site trying to

have a beer while swishing away the bugs and mosquitoes. His young

daughter was playing inside his fifth wheel. As we sat talking, I

looked up and saw water seeping out of the storage area door under the

master bedroom of the RV. Got up, opened the door, and gallons of

water started pouring out. His daughter had plugged the vanity sink in

the bedroom and had the faucets turned on full. It had filled the sink

and was overflowing everywhere, soaking the carpets and draining into

the storage area. I took off to find a hardware store to get a wet

vac while the rest started sopping up the water.



Gracefully, the last day of our camping adventure arrived. My son and

his family left, and then us by early afternoon. My daughter and her

husband wanted to stay a little longer, so we said goodbye and hit the

road.



By 8pm, I had just arrived home and backed the fifth-wheel into it's

spot at our house when the phone rang. It was my daughter. They had

just left the campsite, got a mile down the road and their vehicle

snapped a tie rod. They were sitting on the side of a busy road with a

broken SUV, their new, 28' travel trailer and two crying kids.



So, dear old Dad heads back to the New Hampshire mountains in his truck

to rescue them. Finally got back to their house by 2am, towing the

trailer.

Their truck was put on a flatbed and taken to a repair shop.



The next day I listed the Raptor "For Sale" in a couple of the RV

classifieds. Sold it a few weeks later to a buyer in Canada.



BTW, that wasn't our first attempt at trying the camping scene. When I

first retired and we wintered in Florida, we thought it would be fun to

make the trips back and forth in a RV. We tried a 37' Pace Arrow class

A motorhome, a Chinook Glacier and a Dodge Sprinter RV. Of the three,

I liked the Sprinter the most and we owned it the longest, but we

eventually sold the Florida house and rarely used the Sprinter. We

ended up selling it to a guy in Missouri who flew out and drove it

home. He and his wife still send us email pictures of their travels in

it.



Camping is great for some people. It's just not for me. I'd much

rather live on a boat.









We've been to Maine a few times. On one of those trips, we rented an RV

and loaded it onto a ferry to take us to an island campground for a few

days. The RV, the island, and so forth were fine, but the island was

infested with biting bugs. They weren't mosquitoes, they were much

bigger, and it was hot and humid, too. Misery most of the time.



The next time we went to Maine, we stayed he



http://mainestayinn.com/



No annoying insects indoors or outdoors, beautiful rooms, great

breakfasts, and within walking distance of lots of sights and shopping

and the waterfront. My wife was *much* happier! We ate too many meals at

Mabel's Lobster House, purportedly where President and Mrs. George H.W.

Bush had many meals when he was healthier. Lobsters at the dock were

about $2.50 a pound. I braved walking into the water at a local beach

and got in about halfway up to my knees before the cold chased me out. I

love the Maine coastline.



On the way back, we stayed at a B&B in Cambridge, Massachusetts, to see

relatives and old friends. Nice enough place, but no match for the Maine

Stay. No bugs.

That spot looks nice. I've always wanted to get down to the Seashore Trolly Museum in that area. I was serious in the summer of 2011 but after contacting the museum found out that the main attraction for me (Birney Safety Car) was judged too run down to put on display or even to fix up in the immediate future.
The birney car was the only streetcar used in Halifax from about 1921 until 1949..the year I was born.


Kennebunkport can get a little crowded with tourists (like us), but when
we were there, in the height of the tourist season, it wasn't that bad.
There's lots to see in that part of Maine. LL Bean isn't that far away,
and it is worth a day's visit.

Yeah, that's what I want to see and do when I go to explore somewhere,
shop and go to a mall.

If you've not traveled to Maine and seen the sights, you're missing a lot. Kennebunkport is well
worth a stop, with campgrounds right outside of town (and at least one, that we were in, allows
tents!). http://hemlockgrovecampground.com/photo-gallery

If you visit Kennebunkport and you *don't* visit the LLBean store, then you're missing out on a
great treat.

I've been to Maine on two different occasions. I sure as hell didn't
spend my time holed up in a hotel and shopping.

And you didn't visit the LLBean store?

No, I can buy LL Bean stuff from their catalog. I had better things to
do than shop.

The LLBean store has much more than just shopping.

But, I understand your reluctance to engage in such a thing.


Care to enlighten me?

They have a lot of touristy things to get you there to shop.



First, the L.L. Bean flagship store ain't in Kennebunkport. The flagship
store is huge, and there are other L.L. Bean stores in the same town,
including hunting, fishing, boating stores. If you like what the stores
sell, the flagship store in Freeport is a great place to visit.

Second, it is a very large, very interesting store with lots of
displays and merchandise that isn't necessarily in the catalog.

Third, if you are interested in what L.L. Bean sells, and you still have
questions, you can see the actual merchandise at the big store and ask
questions. Sure, you can also do this at any of the L.L. Bean retail
stores, but none of the retail stores has the variety of selection and
sizes on hand as the "home" store.

Fourth, visiting the flagship store of L.L. Bean is an interesting
experience.

I like the L.L. Bean stores. In fact, on our infrequent visits to
Northern Virginia, it is one of three stores there I'll waste time in at
the big Tysons shopping mall while my wife shops. The other two are the
Apple store and Restoration Hardware.

Glad you enjoy shopping so much. I can shop right here in my home town.
When I visit some interesting place, the last thing I want to do is
spend my time indoors shopping.