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"iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but still, there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize on the threads. -------------------------------------------------- Although some failures were linked to over-tightening, the real problem was the alloy used in the aluminum heads. After repeated heat cycles, it weakened and let go during a compression cycle. It was the two rear cylinders that were mostly affected. |
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wrote in message ... On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:48:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/b24gful Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily. I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new Econoline vans displaced. ---------------------------------------- Those early ones *were* front heavy. Ford installed a 160 something pound counterweight in the rear of the vehicle when they first came out. |
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On 12/30/12 10:50 AM, Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:48:56 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:23:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:54:57 -0800, thumper wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote: I don't know. I am sure Ford has fixed the problem, but it was a major failure mode from the late 90's to about 2006. They fixed it all right. That engine doesn't seem to be available anymore. They list a 6.2L V8 flex-fuel gasser and a 6.7L V8 diesel. There are a lot of new RV's on a Ford chassis with the Triton V-10 engine. I believe all the 2013 Georgetown by Forest River, for example, come with the V-10 engine. Here's an example: http://www.dylansrv.com/inventory_item.asp?id=537137# Maybe the Forest River RV is a 2013, but is the chassis a 2013? Call them and ask. Moot point, fool, looks like Ford still offers it: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...ries_Specs.pdf ------------------------------------------- 2013 is also the last year of the Ford E-series vans. Going into retirement. I always had a itch for a E-250 or E-350 but could never come up with a good enough reason to get one. It dates back to 1961 when it was introduced as a compact van based on the Ford Falcon chassis. Yep!!! Friend had one, all fun and games until he ran into the back of a milk truck! I'd love to find the pickup version, like this!!!! http://tinyurl.com/b24gful Never liked the looks of those things. Seemed too front heavy...like they would tip over on it's nose if you braked too heavily. I liked the old panel trucks from the 40's & 50's that these new Econoline vans displaced. ---------------------------------------- Those early ones *were* front heavy. Ford installed a 160 something pound counterweight in the rear of the vehicle when they first came out. My dad had a Willys FC-150 for a while at the boat store. He was a big fan of Willys and Jeep vehicles, and bought and restored at least a dozen of them in the 1950s and 1960s. The FC-150, which sort of resembled the Ford "forward cab" panel trucks, was absolutely an awful vehicle, and it didn't tow boats very well, either, even the much smaller outboard rig boats of that era. A year after he got it, he replaced it with a Ford "stake" truck, which had a stump puller first gear and seemingly could tow anything. Pretty fast truck, too, if you started in 2nd gear. Looked something like this: http://tinyurl.com/b98rltq |
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. === I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling chips inside the cylinder? |
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On 12/30/2012 11:11 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. Well, I still suggest a 3/4" helicoil in an aluminum head, holds better than a similar threaded 3/8", having a lot more thread area. So in the case of a spark plug for instance, I do suggest that a spark plug in an aluminum head will hold better in a helicoil... IN THEORY! === I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling chips inside the cylinder? In a fix, our motor shop will drain the engine and inject a few tablespoons of very heavy grease just inside the hole. Then they drill upward and vacuum the grease and any chips away, followed by a solvent flush and oil... They can do this with the engine still on the bike in most cases for an oil plug which is the most common heli repair in our industry. Anything structural, we would not use a helicoil at all. |
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"ESAD" wrote in message ... My dad had a Willys FC-150 for a while at the boat store. He was a big fan of Willys and Jeep vehicles, and bought and restored at least a dozen of them in the 1950s and 1960s. The FC-150, which sort of resembled the Ford "forward cab" panel trucks, was absolutely an awful vehicle, and it didn't tow boats very well, either, even the much smaller outboard rig boats of that era. A year after he got it, he replaced it with a Ford "stake" truck, which had a stump puller first gear and seemingly could tow anything. Pretty fast truck, too, if you started in 2nd gear. Looked something like this: http://tinyurl.com/b98rltq -------------------------- That's pretty cool. I don't think I've ever seen one before. |
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says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "iBoaterer" wrote in message ... In article , says... wrote in message ... On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:23:51 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote: Ford's V10 is a gas sucking pig. Yeah, but it's a very good hauling machine. With 360 HP and 460 ft/lb of torque, it'll move stuff. You just don't get that for free if you have to go gas instead of diesel. ----------------------------------------- Ford's V10 is one of the few gasoline engines that has the torque ratings of some similar sized diesels. It's too bad it developed a reputation for spitting out spark plugs. Strip the threads out? Had a Honda SL-350 dirt bike that did that on both cylinders. Thanks for Heli-coil inserts!! ------------------------------------------------ That was Ford's fix for a while. The problem is that a Heli-coil in aluminum isn't any stronger than the original thread, so it would sometimes happen again. Ford blamed shade tree mechanics, claiming they were over-tightening the spark plugs when replacing and stopped doing warranty repairs. Well, you DO have to be careful torquing anything in aluminum but still, there had to be something wrong if they were just blowing out. Now my dirt bike was probably because of someone over-tightening too many times. In aluminum it's a must to torque correctly and use anti-seize on the threads. -------------------------------------------------- Although some failures were linked to over-tightening, the real problem was the alloy used in the aluminum heads. After repeated heat cycles, it weakened and let go during a compression cycle. It was the two rear cylinders that were mostly affected. No too difficult to predict it would be the rear two cylinders. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:44:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: True, but the material the heli-coil is installed in isn't any stronger. A heli-coil is great for replacing stripped out threads that need to be drilled out but it doesn't make anything any stronger. === I'm assuming you must have to pull the head to avoid getting drilling chips inside the cylinder? ------------------- I don't know. Never had a V-10 and never had to do it. I've know at least two people that had a spark plug fly out of the engine though. One happened on the road beside my driveway. Guy was towing a 26' boat to the launch ramp in Plymouth. I stopped to see if he needed some help and at first he didn't know what the problem was. Said he heard a big "bang" and then the truck started running rough. The hood was open and all seemed fine until we saw a spark plug sitting on one of the frame members. |
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