In article om,
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On 10/10/2012 10:43 AM, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article c8d644c3-cbd3-4457-8d6e-aaf02ce3e028
@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article ,
says...



On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment...
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...


I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?


The MIA guy is a weapons expert. Up until recently he thought the 226
Sig was the cat's meow. He now thinks the CZ75 is the finest pistol that
was ever made. What's your take on that?


I don't know what the "finest pistol" ever made is. SIG and CZ both make
fine-shooting, accurate pistols. Lots of European protective service
guys and military guys use CZs. What really matters with a good pistol
is the shooter's familarity and hours of practice. Without hours of
practice, you're not going to shoot well especially when it counts.

CZ does make a .45ACP I like. It's very much like the CZ75 but a little
larger. I've never fired one, but I'd sure like to take one out for a
spin at a range.

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:56:27 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy.

===

Breaking down is fairly easy, putting it back together is what gives
people fits until they learn how to get the hammer and spring into the
right position.

In terms of speed and accuracy, a S&W 41 or an old Hi Standard
Supermatic will run circles around the Ruger III.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:56:27 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy.

===

Breaking down is fairly easy, putting it back together is what gives
people fits until they learn how to get the hammer and spring into the
right position.

In terms of speed and accuracy, a S&W 41 or an old Hi Standard
Supermatic will run circles around the Ruger III.


I thought we were discussing casual plinking with a 22, in which case a
new Ruger for about $300 will be fine and more than accurate enough.
You'd have to be a hell of a shot to outshoot that pistol's
capabilities.

A new 41 is more than $1200 and a decent used Supermatic Trophy probably
sells for more than twice what the new Ruger does and unless you are
getting a High Standard made in Connecticut 50 or so years ago and built
and tuned by one of High Standard's famous gunsmiths, what are you
really getting? A pistol not much different than the J.C. Higgins models
High Standard sold to Sears. I suppose the new owners of High Standard
are still turning out 22s somewhere in Texas, but I haven't seen a new
High Standard in many years.

Neither the Smiths nor the High Standards compete with the Morini or
Pardini 22 competition pistols. I'm not convinced for casual shooting
the Smith is really any better than the Ruger.

Unless you know what to look for, a used semi-auto pistol is something I
would avoid, especially if you are a new shooter. But if know what you
are doing, sure.

Even my agency issued service semi-auto, a Glock, is decent enough
though pretty cheap. What it has going for it are reliability and
reasonable accuracy with practice at defensive ranges. The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?

On 10/10/2012 2:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?

I'll give it a few more days before I'd make that judgement. But you
could be right. Stumpy's friend has several tells. I'm waiting to see a few.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:30:14 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 10/10/2012 2:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?

I'll give it a few more days before I'd make that judgement. But you
could be right. Stumpy's friend has several tells. I'm waiting to see a few.

===

You can play with him if you want but I'll pass. Ask him if he'd
like to see a current picture of his old house in Jacksonville.

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?


Stumpy? I don't get the reference.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:38:41 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:32:57 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?


Stumpy? I don't get the reference.

Why don't you people just let it go? Stay on topic and it won't matter
WHO he is. Damn.

I don't see how ONE person can rule so many other people's every
waking moment.

Ain't that the truth!

On Oct 10, 4:38*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:32:57 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:









In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?

Stumpy? I don't get the reference.

Why don't you people just let it go? Stay on topic and it won't matter
WHO he is. Damn.

I don't see how ONE person can rule so many other people's every
waking moment.

Because "staying on topic" is a troll thread on firearms from JPS...
Guess you think that's ok But you and John go along looking down
your noses at us.. We don't mind...

In article 51b06c65-60c4-4dc6-ad8d-ce799076fbe0
@m5g2000pbv.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 10, 4:38*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:32:57 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:









In article ,
says...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

===

You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?

Stumpy? I don't get the reference.

Why don't you people just let it go? Stay on topic and it won't matter
WHO he is. Damn.

I don't see how ONE person can rule so many other people's every
waking moment.

Because "staying on topic" is a troll thread on firearms from JPS...
Guess you think that's ok But you and John go along looking down
your noses at us.. We don't mind...

Everybody looks down there noses at those too lazy to get a job.