On Sep 21, 9:28*am, Meyer wrote:
He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

With all due respect, I seriously don't know why people flip out over
Cell Phones. I don't even have one, don't WANT one.

Im free, and love it.

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On 9/21/2012 2:08 PM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?



Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and
get back to me.

3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)

All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you should realize it's not.

Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or "QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call? Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the floor?

Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to cell.

I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.


Exactly my issue with 4G... It just sucks around here, 3G is much more
stable and reliable... As to my "speed test" I have a decent phone, not
fancy but a workhorse by LG.

And your results were? Do you realize that the signal, whether 4 or 3g
comes from the same exact place?

On Friday, September 21, 2012 3:01:39 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait

wrote:





It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and

thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.



===



Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a

graduate EE.



If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.

We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.

4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very

spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting

pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably

still a few problems.





I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any

service, is usually a place where nobody is Motocross tracks for

racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just

because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing

without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from

what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.

I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have

the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was

addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...



It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

Bull****. In some cases they may share towers, but for the most part Verizon and Sprint maintain separate towers.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

On Friday, September 21, 2012 4:21:37 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...



On 9/21/2012 2:08 PM, wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,



says...



It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.



I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?







Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and

get back to me.



3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)



All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you should realize it's not.



Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or "QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call? Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the floor?



Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to cell.



I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.





Exactly my issue with 4G... It just sucks around here, 3G is much more

stable and reliable... As to my "speed test" I have a decent phone, not

fancy but a workhorse by LG.



And your results were? Do you realize that the signal, whether 4 or 3g

comes from the same exact place?

You do realize that not every 3G tower has, or will get, a 4G install?

His nearby 3G tower may not hace a 4G package and array. It uses different antennas and RF equipment. Different frequency band. Larger range.

On 9/21/2012 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 3:01:39 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait

wrote:





It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and

thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.



===



Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a

graduate EE.



If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.

We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.

4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very

spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting

pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably

still a few problems.





I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any

service, is usually a place where nobody is Motocross tracks for

racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just

because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing

without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from

what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.

I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have

the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was

addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...



It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

Bull****. In some cases they may share towers, but for the most part Verizon and Sprint maintain separate towers.

Where do you come up with this stuff?


The guy is a ****ing asshole, that's where. I couldn't get out all
weekend at all, never got even one bar with my VM phone, coverage was in
and out all weekend at Sprint, mostly, say 90% of the time, no signal.
Folks who had Verison, and curiously enough, TracPhone, had perfect
coverage all weekend long... That is the fact. Jess and I didn't get any
bars for 18 miles in one direction over the weekend looking for gas and
ice, and on the way in and out (from the other direction) 12 miles till
we could make a call with VM...

On Sep 21, 10:58*am, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/21/2012 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:41:08 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,

says...

He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be

one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been for two
years!

Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

More than a little spotty.

http://network4g.verizonwireless.com/#/coverage

If you don't live in one of those green dots, even with "America's largest" 4G network, you're out of luck.

Personally, 3G is sufficient for anything I need, so my iPhone 4 is just fine for now. *Most of my data use is when I'm around WiFi anyway.

When we hook up the sprint "bug" to surf the net we turn it off and
restart if we get 4G... It sucks, period... at least around here.

You'd rather use slower 3G than faster 4G? Figures.

Around here, 4-G is spotty at best. So, my old flip phone works better
than the daughters iWatshumaycallit.

On Sep 21, 5:52*pm, Tim wrote:
On Sep 21, 10:58*am, iBoaterer wrote:









In article , says...

On 9/21/2012 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:41:08 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,

says...

He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be

one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been for two
years!

Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

More than a little spotty.

http://network4g.verizonwireless.com/#/coverage

If you don't live in one of those green dots, even with "America's largest" 4G network, you're out of luck.

Personally, 3G is sufficient for anything I need, so my iPhone 4 is just fine for now. *Most of my data use is when I'm around WiFi anyway.

When we hook up the sprint "bug" to surf the net we turn it off and
restart if we get 4G... It sucks, period... at least around here.

You'd rather use slower 3G than faster 4G? Figures.

Around here, 4-G is spotty at best. So, my old flip phone works better
than the daughters iWatshumaycallit.

But Tim, that can't be... The Iwatshumaycallit has 4G!!! What is the
matter with us??

On Friday, September 21, 2012 5:01:55 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 9/21/2012 4:31 PM, wrote:

Folks who had Verison, and curiously enough, TracPhone, had perfect
coverage all weekend long... That is the fact.

That's because TracPhone uses Verizon's (and other) networks to supply their coverage. They don't have their own network. They buy time from the major players.

On 9/21/2012 11:57 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 9/21/2012 9:58 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been for two
years!


Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

Everybody, AT&T, Verizon, TMobile, Sprint all have 4G coverage. Apple
didn't until now have a phone capable of 4G.

I was talking about people. I thought you were too. Choose your words
more carefully.

Learn to comprehend. The subject in the original post was about
APPLE....

You are uncomprehensable.

On 9/21/2012 3:01 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!

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