On 9/21/2012 1:03 PM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:58:28 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 9/21/2012 11:15 AM, wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:41:08 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:

On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,

says...


He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been for two
years!

Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

More than a little spotty.

http://network4g.verizonwireless.com/#/coverage

If you don't live in one of those green dots, even with "America's largest" 4G network, you're out of luck.

Personally, 3G is sufficient for anything I need, so my iPhone 4 is just fine for now. Most of my data use is when I'm around WiFi anyway.


When we hook up the sprint "bug" to surf the net we turn it off and
restart if we get 4G... It sucks, period... at least around here.

You'd rather use slower 3G than faster 4G? Figures.

You're letting your non-engineer, non-technical side show again.

The touted speeds of 3G and 4G networks are a theoretical maximum. In the real world, the actual speed you acheive varies based on many factors such as signal strength, cell site load factor, etc.

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas... His spec sheet says 4G is
faster (the spec sheet he got from ATT, so he can't even comprehend
any other scenario than the illogical one he proposed...

In article ,
says...

On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:58:28 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...



On 9/21/2012 11:15 AM, wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:41:08 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:

On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,

says...


He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been for two
years!

Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

More than a little spotty.

http://network4g.verizonwireless.com/#/coverage

If you don't live in one of those green dots, even with "America's largest" 4G network, you're out of luck.

Personally, 3G is sufficient for anything I need, so my iPhone 4 is just fine for now. Most of my data use is when I'm around WiFi anyway.


When we hook up the sprint "bug" to surf the net we turn it off and
restart if we get 4G... It sucks, period... at least around here.

You'd rather use slower 3G than faster 4G? Figures.

You're letting your non-engineer, non-technical side show again.

The touted speeds of 3G and 4G networks are a theoretical maximum. In the real world, the actual speed you acheive varies based on many factors such as signal strength, cell site load factor, etc.

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?

Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and
get back to me.

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:10:36 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas... His spec sheet says 4G is
faster (the spec sheet he got from ATT, so he can't even comprehend
any other scenario than the illogical one he proposed...

In another thread I questioned him on being an engineer, and he indicated he wasn't. That seems to be the case, as he's been wrong on a few technical issues and didn't seem to know the difference between a technical spec doc and a vision statement.

But as far as being narrow-minded, that's not an engineer trait, that's just him. The engineering disciplines I'm involved with at work have to be creative and open to new ideas.

In article , says...

On 9/21/2012 1:03 PM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 11:58:28 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...



On 9/21/2012 11:15 AM, wrote:

On Friday, September 21, 2012 9:41:08 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:

On 9/21/2012 9:30 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article om,

says...


He's been camping out at the Apple store the last few days, hoping to be
one of the first to get the new I phone.

Yeah, they FINALLY got up to 4G, where everybody else has been for two
years!

Not everybody. 4G is still a little spotty.

More than a little spotty.

http://network4g.verizonwireless.com/#/coverage

If you don't live in one of those green dots, even with "America's largest" 4G network, you're out of luck.

Personally, 3G is sufficient for anything I need, so my iPhone 4 is just fine for now. Most of my data use is when I'm around WiFi anyway.


When we hook up the sprint "bug" to surf the net we turn it off and
restart if we get 4G... It sucks, period... at least around here.

You'd rather use slower 3G than faster 4G? Figures.

You're letting your non-engineer, non-technical side show again.

The touted speeds of 3G and 4G networks are a theoretical maximum. In the real world, the actual speed you acheive varies based on many factors such as signal strength, cell site load factor, etc.

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas... His spec sheet says 4G is
faster (the spec sheet he got from ATT, so he can't even comprehend
any other scenario than the illogical one he proposed...

Run speedtest from google play in both 3g and 4g, then get back to me
with the results.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?



Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and
get back to me.

3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)

All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you should realize it's not.

Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or "QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call? Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the floor?

Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to cell.

I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

On 9/21/2012 2:08 PM, wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?



Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and
get back to me.

3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)

All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you should realize it's not.

Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or "QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call? Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the floor?

Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to cell.

I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.


Exactly my issue with 4G... It just sucks around here, 3G is much more
stable and reliable... As to my "speed test" I have a decent phone, not
fancy but a workhorse by LG.

In article ,
says...

On Friday, September 21, 2012 1:25:29 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...

It's completely plausible that Scot is near a 3G tower but on the fringe of a 4G tower, so he gets much better data rates with 3G.

I suppose you'd just make sure the display said "4G", no matter what the results?



Download speedtest from google play, test your phone at 3g and at 4g and
get back to me.

3G is MUCH faster! Of course, I have no 4G coverage here. :-)

All things being equal, of course 4G would be faster. You seem to be thinking that it's always equal in the real world, and you should realize it's not.

Do the terms "dropped packets", "corrupted packet retries", or "QoS" mean anything to you? Ever had a bad connection on a cell call, with missing chunks of speech? Ever had a dropped call? Ever been to a big event, and seen the data rate drop though the floor?

Also, some 4G sites have intentionally throttled back speeds as they get the infrastructure in place. You can get different speed results depending on where you are in the cell, and from cell to cell.

I'm getting tired of educating you. I'm sending you an invoice.

Bull****.

In article , says...

On 9/21/2012 1:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:10:28 -0400, JustWait
wrote:


It's exactly the engineer in him that makes him so narrow minded and
thus, unable to decipher abstract ideas.

===

Frankly, I doubt very much that he's an engineer, at least not a
graduate EE.

If and when you do get a decent 4G connection, you'll like it a lot.
We were on Long Island Sound with the trawler in the summer of 2011.
4G was just beginning to roll out in many places and service was very
spotty in some areas, even close to NYC. This year I've been getting
pretty good 4G service just about everywhere but there are probably
still a few problems.


I am somewhat of a special case too... Everywhere I want to get any
service, is usually a place where nobody is Motocross tracks for
racing seem to be out in the boondocks, almost across the board just
because we need to avoid the "green monsters" and try to do our thing
without otherwise inconveniencing others... This being the case, from
what I have seen so far, Verison is the service most racers I know use.
I have a VM cell, which is great but never get any service, and we have
the sprint mobile connector for internet, which is the one I was
addressing earlier. At Unidilla, it was useless...

It comes from the same damned place! Same tower!