On 7/30/12 4:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

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Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in
Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want
to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers.

Yes, you can rent an RV.



Gosh. Really?

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to
carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of
those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on
the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

===

Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in
Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want
to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers.
-------------------------------
Yes they are. Friend a few years ago, rented a truck and camper. Truck
campers are really nice up there as you do not have to worry about turning
around on a dirt road you explore.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:46:10 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H.
wrote:

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to
carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of
those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on
the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

===

Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in
Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want
to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers.
-------------------------------
Yes they are. Friend a few years ago, rented a truck and camper. Truck
campers are really nice up there as you do not have to worry about turning
around on a dirt road you explore.

Agreed. With a rig like mine, I don't go up roads without turnarounds. Luckily, I can park the rig
and take the pickup where I want to go. But, there are no 'spur of the moment' side trips up little
twisty roads!

On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an
extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can
become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the
problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After
hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns
driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy
generator gas.

I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion
kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have
no personal interest (or experience) with their products.

http://www.propane-generators.com/

Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the
camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely
look into that.

Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard.

Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill.

The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it.

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska,
burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new
..45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,
though.

About 80 hours of driving each way.

Joy.



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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an
extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can
become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the
problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After
hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns
driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy
generator gas.

I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion
kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have
no personal interest (or experience) with their products.

http://www.propane-generators.com/

Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the
camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely
look into that.

Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard.

Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill.

The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it.

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska,
burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new
.45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,
though.

About 80 hours of driving each way.

Joy.

It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore,
spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the
bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is.

There, you finally got noticed. Feel better?

WATOABH

On 7/30/12 3:25 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an
extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can
become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the
problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After
hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns
driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy
generator gas.

I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion
kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have
no personal interest (or experience) with their products.

http://www.propane-generators.com/

Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the
camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely
look into that.

Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard.

Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill.

The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it.

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska,
burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new
.45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,
though.

About 80 hours of driving each way.

Joy.

It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore,
spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the
bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is.

There, you finally got noticed. Feel better?

WATOABH



We've seen the badlands, mt. rushmore, big horn county, and yellowstone,
but I wouldn't claim that seeing many of the sights just once is
sufficient.

We have a conference coming up in the middle of 2013 in Seattle. We've
been talking about flying to Anchorage after the conference and spending
a couple of weeks in Alaska. Don't like driving for days and days, don't
like sleeping in an RV. To each his own.



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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:09:59 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:25:48 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote:



It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore,
spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the
bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is.

There, you finally got noticed. Feel better?

WATOABH


I bet you will be pretty damned tired of the camper by then ;-)

The great thing about driving in Alaska is, you can get the hell away
from the cruise ships. We prefer driving and stopping at a real
building with hot water and electricity but we are old.
Some of the best places we stayed there were in the Kenai at B&Bs
If you are in Cooper Landing ask for Lovie and Willie's place
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/lovi...d%20willie.jpg

The Best Western in Homer is pretty nice in an Alaska sense and it is
reasonably priced (rare in Alaska). Homer is an interesting place ...
unless the cruise ships have found it.

This is the main tourist attraction
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/salty%20dawg.jpg


Seward is Key West without the charm.

If we were in the little 18'er, I'd agree with your comment about getting of the camper by then.
But, we took the 18'er for three and a half weeks to southern Utah, and had a spectacular time. This
trailer has over twice the room and is basically like a nice apartment on wheels.

This gives a pretty good idea of what it's like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTevxQt9a4w

wrote in message ...

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:25:48 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote:



It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North
Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore,
spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier
National Parks, watch the
bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you
despise really is.

There, you finally got noticed. Feel better?

WATOABH


I bet you will be pretty damned tired of the camper by then ;-)

The great thing about driving in Alaska is, you can get the hell away
from the cruise ships. We prefer driving and stopping at a real
building with hot water and electricity but we are old.
Some of the best places we stayed there were in the Kenai at B&Bs
If you are in Cooper Landing ask for Lovie and Willie's place
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/lovi...d%20willie.jpg

The Best Western in Homer is pretty nice in an Alaska sense and it is
reasonably priced (rare in Alaska). Homer is an interesting place ...
unless the cruise ships have found it.

This is the main tourist attraction
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/salty%20dawg.jpg


Seward is Key West without the charm.


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We drove to AK about 7 years ago. Fun for one time, but a lot of boring
road through Canada. But we saw a lot of interesting things along the road.
Camper for the trip was better than trying to get motels along the route.
We talked to a couple different couples that were doing the hotel/motel
route, and they said there were times where it was hard to get something
where you wanted to be. We could camp in remote locations, or even pull off
to a side road if needed. You can also stay in hotels at times when you
want to. We have a slide in truck camper and only stayed in hotels twice
during a 7 week trip. there were 4 couples and 3 had trailers. Most people
in AK stated my truck camper was probably the best choice as we could
explore side roads without worry. We would go down the roads and then radio
back to the others if it was possible to use the road with the trailer. If
you are in Fairbanks, Anchorage, Homer areas only via cruise ship, then
lodgings make sense. but if taking a couple weeks to explore then a camper
is better. That way we got to drive the Top of the World Highway, and visit
towns like Reno near the Arctic Circle.

In article ,
says...

On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an
extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can
become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the
problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After
hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns
driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy
generator gas.

I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion
kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have
no personal interest (or experience) with their products.

http://www.propane-generators.com/

Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the
camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely
look into that.

Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard.

Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill.

The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it.

Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it
worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the
generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while
riding to Alaska.

You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska,
burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new
.45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them,
though.

About 80 hours of driving each way.

Joy.

You just don't enjoy life, do you? I love to travel by car or RV, it's a
great way to see things that you are missing in a plane. Is your idea of
seeing the wilds of Alaska from a hotel in Anchorage?

On 7/30/12 4:20 PM, iBoaterer wrote:


You just don't enjoy life, do you? I love to travel by car or RV, it's a
great way to see things that you are missing in a plane. Is your idea of
seeing the wilds of Alaska from a hotel in Anchorage?

We don't consider driving long distances "enjoying" life. There is no
shortage of hotels, lodges, et cetera, in Alaska.

Does your wife like to sleep outdoors? Oh, wait...you got rid of your
family when you became iBoaterer.





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religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me.