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Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators

JustWait wrote:
On 8/10/2012 11:18 PM, Earl wrote:
Meyer wrote:
On 8/10/2012 1:55 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:19:20 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 12:13 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 12:03 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:28:59 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article
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says...

On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
dump-on-
says...

On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here
don't
post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the
local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank
for an
outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so
"local"
delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon
tank
without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have
been
doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb

That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd
have to
recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a
tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three
times a
year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater,
rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more
than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the
truck comes
by for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial
fill-up in
March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400
gallons of
LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to
appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from
dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought
their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near
tankful
of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His
supplier was
helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all
dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price
could be
higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last
week in
nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging
for
delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging
*today*, so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the
lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if
there
is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their
delivered
prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent
websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a
spider that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the
tank is
the only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it
meets the
requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch
companies, be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably
have two
tanks at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be
shunned.

1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the
tank
is the
only company that can fill it, contractually.

2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it.

The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these
days is
$2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about
$500 to
$1000
less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much
less
expensive.

I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been
depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of
removing
it so
I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company
wanted to
pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse.
:) I
did
this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to
fill the
"rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP
gas
price
when the tank needs a refill.

These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30
years if
anodes
were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the
tank's
end of
life at that time only if I'm not buried.

Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An
above
ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots
that are
severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak.

Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further
into the
ground.

No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"?

It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a
thread
and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers
up a
site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it
doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no
interest.

Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons.

Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past
year in
which you added value.

T'would be easier for him to refer us to any thread he has not
trashed.

Pretty funny **** coming from a pair of mooks who fling their trash
everywhere here and especially from the meyer****, whose hope
beyond
hope is that some day I might deign to respond to him directly.

What a dickhead.

Shame on you. You know damn good and well you're just sitting there,
wishin', and hopin', an'
thinkin', and prayin' that the boy would respond to you.

Well, as he responds to every post I make, whether or not it's to
him, I can say his responses are
not what he thinks them to be.

They remain WATOABH!

Catchy phrase. They should write a song. ;-)

I'm still trying to figure that one out. I have "What A Total" and
maybe "Bone Head" so far.

I think he is saying Worthless as tits on a boar hog whatever that
means...
It is odd, but it would work!

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators

Meyer wrote:
On 8/10/2012 11:13 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 10:52 AM, Califbill wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post
their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local
"convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an
outdoor
grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery
suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank
without
having to call each one of them.

There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app!

====

Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing
with diesel fuel prices?

https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb

That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to
recruit
a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of
propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a
year. As
an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop,
fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350
gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by
for
a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in
March
so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of
LP in
the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and
geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to
dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their
supplies and other factors.

I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful
of gas
for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was
helpful on
the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers
during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher
than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly.

So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in
nearby
Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for
delivered
LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*,
so a
call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced
supplier at a given moment.

I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any
interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices
daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That
way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider
that
would gather the prices on a webpage as you described.

Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the
only company that can fill
it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the
requirements of the other companies,
you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch
companies,
be prepared to switch tanks.
My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two
tanks
at her house while waiting
for the current tank to empty.

When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned.
--------------------------------------------

The company has to pay you for the contents when they remove the tank,
according to my buddy who just had his removed at his Tahoe cabin.
Was
****ed about the $5/gal delivered price.

A company I might have bought a new tank from if I hadn't gotten a
good deal buying the old tank from the original gas company would have
emptied the original tank, removed it, put it on the curb for the
original company, installed a new tank, put my quantity of LP gas back
in it, et cetera, all for no more than the purchase price and
installation of the new tank.

There's no reason to deal with companies unfriendly to consumers or
companies that overcharge. I needed a new 15' USB A/B cable so I
checked it out at Office Depot. $32.00. Insanity. The same cable
through Amazon was $7.00. I would have paid $10 at Office Depot for
convenience of "instant" delivery into my hand, but more than four
times as much? **** Office Depot. Oh, wait...isn't that a Bain Capital
funded company? That explains the overcharging!

No, it's a brick and mortar store with more employees to support - the
kind that live locally and support your local economy. Since you seem
to be a tightwad, you can get your Chinese cables cheap at
monoprice.com, A-Hole.

You got Krausie pegged. His goal is to eliminate jobs in the USA and
blame it on Bush and Romney
He'll never admit that as true as it may be.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators

On Aug 12, 9:54*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on-
says...

On 8/11/12 10:09 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/11/12 8:33 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:43:33 -0400, BAR wrote:

Sometimes less complicated is better.

I have seen them but it is a router sized box on both ends and they
are $350-400 a pair. I will go with the $10 powered cable, thanks..

With my experience with wireless in a CBS house, I am not even sure it
would work for me out in the pool bar.

My plan is the powered cable with a blue tooth transmitter on the end
and a blue tooth wireless pointing device/numeric pad.
That is 30' line of sight that will work from the corner of the house.
Another powered cable and a B/T transmitter at the other end of the
house should take care of those rooms. I don't have any block walls
between them.

You can daisy change wireless access points.

The powered cables can be daisy chained (up to 5)

Such complexity. I prefer the hard-wired approach, with wi fi as an
option. No line of sight problems, no expensive wireless USB
silliness. I can reach the four printers and two scanners in the house
via my iMac, iPhone and iPad, and my wife can do the same with her
Windoze.

Who needs four printers and two scanners in one house? *That's insane
and probably BS.

We don't use our computer gear to play Pong, the way you do, Earl.
Further, not everyone needs more guns than computer peripherals. My wife
has a printer and scanner in her home office. I have a laser printer, a
photo printer, and a label printer in my home office, and a scanner.
That would be four printers and two scanners. She has a Windows
computer, I have an apple computer. We have smart phones and I also have
an iPad. I also have at least a half dozen keyboards for my apple
computer. i have no idea why.

Get some smarts, Earl. Any smarts. You're really truly stupid.

If YOU were to "get some smarts" you'd realize that you don't need a
separate printer to print labels.

Duh! A separate label printer comes in handy if only printing a couple
of different labels at a time.

Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators