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Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:28:59 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. 1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it, contractually. 2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it. The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is $2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000 less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less expensive. I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the "rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price when the tank needs a refill. These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of life at that time only if I'm not buried. Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak. Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the ground. No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"? It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest. Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons. Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past year in which you added value. T'would be easier for him to refer us to any thread he has not trashed. That would be the same thing. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
X ` Man wrote:
On 8/10/12 10:52 AM, Califbill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. -------------------------------------------- The company has to pay you for the contents when they remove the tank, according to my buddy who just had his removed at his Tahoe cabin. Was ****ed about the $5/gal delivered price. A company I might have bought a new tank from if I hadn't gotten a good deal buying the old tank from the original gas company would have emptied the original tank, removed it, put it on the curb for the original company, installed a new tank, put my quantity of LP gas back in it, et cetera, all for no more than the purchase price and installation of the new tank. There's no reason to deal with companies unfriendly to consumers or companies that overcharge. I needed a new 15' USB A/B cable so I checked it out at Office Depot. $32.00. Insanity. The same cable through Amazon was $7.00. I would have paid $10 at Office Depot for convenience of "instant" delivery into my hand, but more than four times as much? **** Office Depot. Oh, wait...isn't that a Bain Capital funded company? That explains the overcharging! No, it's a brick and mortar store with more employees to support - the kind that live locally and support your local economy. Since you seem to be a tightwad, you can get your Chinese cables cheap at monoprice.com, A-Hole. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
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Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
Meyer wrote:
On 8/10/2012 1:55 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:19:20 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 12:13 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 12:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:28:59 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. 1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it, contractually. 2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it. The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is $2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000 less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less expensive. I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the "rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price when the tank needs a refill. These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of life at that time only if I'm not buried. Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak. Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the ground. No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"? It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest. Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons. Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past year in which you added value. T'would be easier for him to refer us to any thread he has not trashed. Pretty funny **** coming from a pair of mooks who fling their trash everywhere here and especially from the meyer****, whose hope beyond hope is that some day I might deign to respond to him directly. What a dickhead. Shame on you. You know damn good and well you're just sitting there, wishin', and hopin', an' thinkin', and prayin' that the boy would respond to you. Well, as he responds to every post I make, whether or not it's to him, I can say his responses are not what he thinks them to be. They remain WATOABH! Catchy phrase. They should write a song. ;-) I'm still trying to figure that one out. I have "What A Total" and maybe "Bone Head" so far. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 8/10/2012 11:18 PM, Earl wrote:
Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 1:55 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:19:20 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 12:13 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 12:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:28:59 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. 1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it, contractually. 2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it. The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is $2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000 less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less expensive. I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the "rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price when the tank needs a refill. These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of life at that time only if I'm not buried. Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak. Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the ground. No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"? It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest. Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons. Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past year in which you added value. T'would be easier for him to refer us to any thread he has not trashed. Pretty funny **** coming from a pair of mooks who fling their trash everywhere here and especially from the meyer****, whose hope beyond hope is that some day I might deign to respond to him directly. What a dickhead. Shame on you. You know damn good and well you're just sitting there, wishin', and hopin', an' thinkin', and prayin' that the boy would respond to you. Well, as he responds to every post I make, whether or not it's to him, I can say his responses are not what he thinks them to be. They remain WATOABH! Catchy phrase. They should write a song. ;-) I'm still trying to figure that one out. I have "What A Total" and maybe "Bone Head" so far. I think he is saying Worthless as tits on a boar hog whatever that means... |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:35:14 -0400, JustWait wrote:
On 8/10/2012 11:18 PM, Earl wrote: Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 1:55 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:19:20 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 12:13 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 12:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:28:59 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. 1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it, contractually. 2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it. The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is $2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000 less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less expensive. I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the "rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price when the tank needs a refill. These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of life at that time only if I'm not buried. Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak. Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the ground. No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"? It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest. Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons. Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past year in which you added value. T'would be easier for him to refer us to any thread he has not trashed. Pretty funny **** coming from a pair of mooks who fling their trash everywhere here and especially from the meyer****, whose hope beyond hope is that some day I might deign to respond to him directly. What a dickhead. Shame on you. You know damn good and well you're just sitting there, wishin', and hopin', an' thinkin', and prayin' that the boy would respond to you. Well, as he responds to every post I make, whether or not it's to him, I can say his responses are not what he thinks them to be. They remain WATOABH! Catchy phrase. They should write a song. ;-) I'm still trying to figure that one out. I have "What A Total" and maybe "Bone Head" so far. I think he is saying Worthless as tits on a boar hog whatever that means... For what use are tits on a boar hog? |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 8/11/12 7:43 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:35:14 -0400, JustWait wrote: I think he is saying Worthless as tits on a boar hog whatever that means... For what use are tits on a boar hog? You and PsychoScotty ought to get together for a play date. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 8/10/2012 11:13 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 10:52 AM, Califbill wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. -------------------------------------------- The company has to pay you for the contents when they remove the tank, according to my buddy who just had his removed at his Tahoe cabin. Was ****ed about the $5/gal delivered price. A company I might have bought a new tank from if I hadn't gotten a good deal buying the old tank from the original gas company would have emptied the original tank, removed it, put it on the curb for the original company, installed a new tank, put my quantity of LP gas back in it, et cetera, all for no more than the purchase price and installation of the new tank. There's no reason to deal with companies unfriendly to consumers or companies that overcharge. I needed a new 15' USB A/B cable so I checked it out at Office Depot. $32.00. Insanity. The same cable through Amazon was $7.00. I would have paid $10 at Office Depot for convenience of "instant" delivery into my hand, but more than four times as much? **** Office Depot. Oh, wait...isn't that a Bain Capital funded company? That explains the overcharging! No, it's a brick and mortar store with more employees to support - the kind that live locally and support your local economy. Since you seem to be a tightwad, you can get your Chinese cables cheap at monoprice.com, A-Hole. You got Krausie pegged. His goal is to eliminate jobs in the USA and blame it on Bush and Romney |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 8/10/2012 11:18 PM, Earl wrote:
Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 1:55 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:19:20 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 12:13 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 12:03 PM, John H. wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:28:59 -0400, Meyer wrote: On 8/10/2012 10:12 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 8/10/12 8:38 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 8/9/2012 1:07 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , dump-on- says... On 8/9/12 11:49 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:07:24 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 8/9/12 9:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:08:04 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a bit annoying that the propane dealers around here don't post their prices on their web sites. I don't mind paying the local "convenience" street price for filling up a small tank for an outdoor grill, but I'd sure like to know what the 20 or so "local" delivery suppliers are charging per gallon to fill our 500-gallon tank without having to call each one of them. There should be a "Propane Delivery Price" app! ==== Why not create a web site similar to what cruisers have been doing with diesel fuel prices? https://www.waterwayguide.com/fuel-pricing?area=cbdb That would be an interesting thing to do, but then you'd have to recruit a huge number of "reporters," and a homeowner buying a tankful of propane usually does not happen more than two or three times a year. As an example, we have a gas furnace, hot water heater, rangetop, fireplace, generator, et cetera, and we've never used more than 350 gallons of propane in a calendar year. Typically, the truck comes by for a partial fill-up in October and then another partial fill-up in March so that on those two dates, we actually have about 400 gallons of LP in the tank. Obviously, usage varies according to appliances and geography/weather. Plus, propane prices vary widely from dealer to dealer in the same market, depending upon when they bought their supplies and other factors. I was intrigued by this because a neighbor bought a near tankful of gas for about 25 cent less a gallon than I paid. His supplier was helpful on the phone and told me the wide variance is common among all dealers during the year, that at the next fill-up, his price could be higher than my dealer's, and that prices typically changed weekly. So, what is needed is not reportage of what Joe paid last week in nearby Dunkirk, MD, for example, but what XYZ Propane is charging for delivered LP *today* and what his 10 nearby competitors are charging *today*, so a call can be made and a delivery order placed for the lowest-priced supplier at a given moment. I'm going to contact my local state official to see if there is any interest in requiring propane dealers to post their delivered prices daily on their websites. They all seem to have decent websites. That way, it would be easy to check individually or even write a spider that would gather the prices on a webpage as you described. Before you go thru a rigmarole - the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it. Of course, if you personally own the tank and it meets the requirements of the other companies, you can deal with anyone. Otherwise, if you decide to switch companies, be prepared to switch tanks. My daughter is going thru this right now. She'll probably have two tanks at her house while waiting for the current tank to empty. When you stick to decent posts, you shouldn't deserve to be shunned. 1. You are correct in stating that the company that owns the tank is the only company that can fill it, contractually. 2. I bought my tank from the company that owned it. The approximate cost of a new *buried* 500-gallon tank these days is $2000 to $2500, I was told by two suppliers. It was about $500 to $1000 less when we bought this house. An above ground tank is much less expensive. I bought our tank for under $500. The LP gas company had been depreciating it for about 9 years, and company's cost of removing it so I could replace it with a new tank was more than the company wanted to pay. So the company made me an offer I could hardly refuse. :) I did this to save the 30 cents a gallon premium I was paying to fill the "rented" tank, and to be able to shop around for the best LP gas price when the tank needs a refill. These buried tanks supposedly have a "life" of 25 to 30 years if anodes were installed. They were on mine. I'll worry about the tank's end of life at that time only if I'm not buried. Not only is a buried tank more costly it's also less safe. An above ground tank is easy to visually see any potential spots that are severely rusted, etc. which may rupture and leak. Propane is heavier than air. Any leak will just sink further into the ground. No it won't. Ever hear of the word "density"? It's just amazing how you two can drool and drool and drool on a thread and add absolutely nothing useful. Your moron buddy Meyer offers up a site that he claims has propane prices on line and, of course, it doesn't, and you're spitting up "safety tips" that are of no interest. Yet another thread on rec.boats trashed by the morons. Please refer us to ANY thread you have posted to in the past year in which you added value. T'would be easier for him to refer us to any thread he has not trashed. Pretty funny **** coming from a pair of mooks who fling their trash everywhere here and especially from the meyer****, whose hope beyond hope is that some day I might deign to respond to him directly. What a dickhead. Shame on you. You know damn good and well you're just sitting there, wishin', and hopin', an' thinkin', and prayin' that the boy would respond to you. Well, as he responds to every post I make, whether or not it's to him, I can say his responses are not what he thinks them to be. They remain WATOABH! Catchy phrase. They should write a song. ;-) I'm still trying to figure that one out. I have "What A Total" and maybe "Bone Head" so far. Maybe this will help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbgHM1mI0k |
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