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Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an
extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Jul 29, 4:55*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. * This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. *After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. * I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ One good thing about 'natural' or 'propane' is that it doesn't spoil. My Honda is readily to hook up to a 500 gal. propane tank in necessary. Power outages in my area are not often and only momentarily for a couple hrs at the usual. But you never know. Especially in the winter if a good ice storm comes along. Some rural people have been out of electricity for two weeks in freezing temps. changing over a small gas engine to propane is easy and well worth it. Thanks for the post, Wayne. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/29/12 5:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ If you don't have natural gas available, LP Gas is a fine alternative. Burns clean, too...no stinky gasoline/diesel exhaust smells. I think ours burns the equivalent of 1.6 gallons of LP gas an hour on half-load. That's close to what the spec sheet says, if memory serves. If we're not running one of the heat pumps, we're probably running at one-eighth load. The plumber used something he called a "bullet borer" to push long sections of pipe about 80' underground on the horizontal plane from our LP tank to the generator. No trenching. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/29/12 6:54 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 29, 4:55 pm, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ One good thing about 'natural' or 'propane' is that it doesn't spoil. My Honda is readily to hook up to a 500 gal. propane tank in necessary. Power outages in my area are not often and only momentarily for a couple hrs at the usual. But you never know. Especially in the winter if a good ice storm comes along. Some rural people have been out of electricity for two weeks in freezing temps. changing over a small gas engine to propane is easy and well worth it. Thanks for the post, Wayne. We get three or four "serious" power outages a year here, ranging from a day to nearly a week. Outages of an hour or two are not uncommon, especially during and after light summer thunderbumpers. Some people in this area have suffered outages of up to two weeks in recent storms. The worst part of no power is...no water from the well. No water, no toilet flushing. We've had a couple of five gallon water jugs around but with the generator, our well pump works nominally. I think there are 14 houses in our little neighborhood. During the last storm, nine houses were powered up with generators. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/12 2:44 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Natural gas for the genny in his camper? That's going to require a hell of a long supply pipe. :) -- I'm a liberal because militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H.
wrote: Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. === Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new ..45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. -- I'm a liberal because militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:13:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H. wrote: Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. === Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers. Give these guys a shout. Don't know where you want to go up there, but rental RVs are available most places now. http://rvrentalsalefinder.com/fairba...FeSMTAodtAUAfA |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/12 3:25 PM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH We've seen the badlands, mt. rushmore, big horn county, and yellowstone, but I wouldn't claim that seeing many of the sights just once is sufficient. We have a conference coming up in the middle of 2013 in Seattle. We've been talking about flying to Anchorage after the conference and spending a couple of weeks in Alaska. Don't like driving for days and days, don't like sleeping in an RV. To each his own. -- I'm a liberal because militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
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Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
In article ,
says... On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. You just don't enjoy life, do you? I love to travel by car or RV, it's a great way to see things that you are missing in a plane. Is your idea of seeing the wilds of Alaska from a hotel in Anchorage? |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/12 4:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H. wrote: Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. === Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers. Yes, you can rent an RV. Gosh. Really? -- I'm a liberal because militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/12 4:20 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
You just don't enjoy life, do you? I love to travel by car or RV, it's a great way to see things that you are missing in a plane. Is your idea of seeing the wilds of Alaska from a hotel in Anchorage? We don't consider driving long distances "enjoying" life. There is no shortage of hotels, lodges, et cetera, in Alaska. Does your wife like to sleep outdoors? Oh, wait...you got rid of your family when you became iBoaterer. -- I'm a liberal because militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
In article ,
says... On 7/30/12 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH We've seen the badlands, mt. rushmore, big horn county, and yellowstone, but I wouldn't claim that seeing many of the sights just once is sufficient. We have a conference coming up in the middle of 2013 in Seattle. We've been talking about flying to Anchorage after the conference and spending a couple of weeks in Alaska. Don't like driving for days and days, don't like sleeping in an RV. To each his own. Well, then you'll have a great time looking out of your hotel window in Anchorage. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/12 4:33 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 7/30/12 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH We've seen the badlands, mt. rushmore, big horn county, and yellowstone, but I wouldn't claim that seeing many of the sights just once is sufficient. We have a conference coming up in the middle of 2013 in Seattle. We've been talking about flying to Anchorage after the conference and spending a couple of weeks in Alaska. Don't like driving for days and days, don't like sleeping in an RV. To each his own. Well, then you'll have a great time looking out of your hotel window in Anchorage. Typically when we travel, all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning and then do whatever it is we're planning to do that do. Perhaps when you have a wife or girlfriend or rediscover your wife and children, you'll do that, too. -- I'm a liberal because militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy just doesn't work for me. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/2012 3:14 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. That's what I was thinking. Sounds like a lot of fun. Sure beets doing donuts in the bay just to get some hours on the boat engines. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/2012 3:53 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/30/12 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH We've seen the badlands, mt. rushmore, big horn county, and yellowstone, but I wouldn't claim that seeing many of the sights just once is sufficient. We have a conference coming up in the middle of 2013 in Seattle. We've been talking about flying to Anchorage after the conference and spending a couple of weeks in Alaska. Don't like driving for days and days, don't like sleeping in an RV. To each his own. We have a conference? You make it sound like you might be participating. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/30/2012 4:38 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/30/12 4:33 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 7/30/12 3:25 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/30/12 3:01 PM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. You can play the guitar while Mrs. H. drives the 4500 miles to Alaska, burning what, about 350 gallons of diesel each way. And with that new .45ACP, you can shoot at the attacking bears. Not likely to stop them, though. About 80 hours of driving each way. Joy. It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH We've seen the badlands, mt. rushmore, big horn county, and yellowstone, but I wouldn't claim that seeing many of the sights just once is sufficient. We have a conference coming up in the middle of 2013 in Seattle. We've been talking about flying to Anchorage after the conference and spending a couple of weeks in Alaska. Don't like driving for days and days, don't like sleeping in an RV. To each his own. Well, then you'll have a great time looking out of your hotel window in Anchorage. Typically when we travel, all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning and then do whatever it is we're planning to do that do. Perhaps when you have a wife or girlfriend or rediscover your wife and children, you'll do that, too. You plan on rediscovering your wife? Good for you. Oh, by the way, which one? |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:09:59 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:25:48 -0400, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH I bet you will be pretty damned tired of the camper by then ;-) The great thing about driving in Alaska is, you can get the hell away from the cruise ships. We prefer driving and stopping at a real building with hot water and electricity but we are old. Some of the best places we stayed there were in the Kenai at B&Bs If you are in Cooper Landing ask for Lovie and Willie's place http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/lovi...d%20willie.jpg The Best Western in Homer is pretty nice in an Alaska sense and it is reasonably priced (rare in Alaska). Homer is an interesting place ... unless the cruise ships have found it. This is the main tourist attraction http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/salty%20dawg.jpg Seward is Key West without the charm. If we were in the little 18'er, I'd agree with your comment about getting of the camper by then. But, we took the 18'er for three and a half weeks to southern Utah, and had a spectacular time. This trailer has over twice the room and is basically like a nice apartment on wheels. This gives a pretty good idea of what it's like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTevxQt9a4w |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:57:14 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:44:01 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:20:26 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:55:38 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: Any of you who have ever depended on a small home generator during an extended power outage will appreciate the fact that gasoline can become difficult to obtain. This is further compounded by the problems of storing ethanol gas for any length of time. After hurricane Charlie here in SW Florida my neighbor and I took turns driving 50 miles round trip every night for over a week to buy generator gas. I just found a web site selling propane and natural gas conversion kits for small gasoline generators if anyone is interested. I have no personal interest (or experience) with their products. http://www.propane-generators.com/ Cool! I'd never thought about that, but it makes good sense for the little Generac I use with the camper. Then I wouldn't have to carry three fuels, diesel, propane, and gasoline. Will definitely look into that. Propane is only attractive if you have a bulk tank in the yard. Those 20 and 30 pound tanks are pretty expensive to fill. The perfect system is natural gas if you can get it. Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. The 17# tank is about like 3 gallons of gasoline, give or take. You get less bang for the gallon on propane so it is probably a bit less. Well, at $3.79/gal, there's not a whole hell of a lot of difference. The convenience might be worth it. But, I can suffer a lot of inconvenience for $380, or whatever! |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:45:55 -0400, John H.
wrote: we took the 18'er for three and a half weeks to southern Utah, and had a spectacular time. === We are planning to spend some time in southern Utah later this year? Any recommendations? |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/31/12 8:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! Probably why your wife locks herself in the bathroom. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/31/2012 8:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! Harry buys her a package of Hebrew Nationals. That gives her something to do while he's hooked to his machine catching some shut-eye. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:52:13 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:45:55 -0400, John H. wrote: we took the 18'er for three and a half weeks to southern Utah, and had a spectacular time. === We are planning to spend some time in southern Utah later this year? Any recommendations? YES!! First stop, Moab, UT. Visit Arches and Canyonlands National Parks (NP) and Dead Horse Point SP. A week would be good here, but we stayed only four days. Then back to I-70, west to Hwy 24 south. Follow to Hwy 12 south. Spectacular scenery. Don't stop for pictures every ten minutes. Visit Capitol Reef NP for a couple hours or more, and continue on Hwy 12 'til you reach Hyw 63, and take a left to Bryce Canyon NP. Fantastic place. While there, be sure and take the free bus tour offered by Ruby's Campground. The sign up place is right there at the campground. If you're not camping, Ruby's Lodge seemed pretty nice, but I'd make reservations early. ( http://tinyurl.com/caa5mqs ). A week in Bryce would be nice. Go on a mule ride. From there, back to Hwy 12 west to Hwy 89, south to Hwy 9 and west to Zion NP. Plan on a few days there, and be sure and take the bus tour through the park. From there, drop down south and head east to the Grand Canyon North Rim. Be sure to stop at Jacobs Lake and visit the trading post. After a few days at the Grand Canyon, head over to Page, AZ, rent a pontoon boat and spend a few days on Lake Powell. Be sure to visit Lower Antelope Canyon. Take a tripod, and they'll let you linger for a lot longer in the canyon and take your time with your pictures. Finally, we went to Monument Valley for a couple days and then headed home. I'd like to do the whole thing again, with more time, and visit some of the places we didn't get to, like Lake Powell. Start planning early. If you plan to visit and stay at the lodge or cabins, make reservations really early. I'd start calling them now. ( http://tinyurl.com/cjme7y6 ) Hope you have a super trip! |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
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Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/31/12 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article m, says... On 7/31/2012 8:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! Harry buys her a package of Hebrew Nationals. That gives her something to do while he's hooked to his machine catching some shut-eye. snerk I have no idea what "machine" the asshole is talking about here...do you? -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:55:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote:
On 7/31/12 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/31/2012 8:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! Harry buys her a package of Hebrew Nationals. That gives her something to do while he's hooked to his machine catching some shut-eye. snerk I have no idea what "machine" the asshole is talking about here...do you? You do understand the Hebrew Nationals part, I hope. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On 7/31/12 11:09 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:55:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/31/12 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/31/2012 8:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! Harry buys her a package of Hebrew Nationals. That gives her something to do while he's hooked to his machine catching some shut-eye. snerk I have no idea what "machine" the asshole is talking about here...do you? You do understand the Hebrew Nationals part, I hope. Sure...more 7th grade insults from one of our junior high schoolers. -- I'm a liberal because the militant fundamentalist ignorant science-denying religious xenophobic corporate oligarchy of modern Republican conservatism just doesn't work for me or my country. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
In article , dump-on-
says... On 7/31/12 11:09 AM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:55:23 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 7/31/12 10:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article m, says... On 7/31/2012 8:35 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:19:45 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:38:52 -0400, X ` Man wrote: all we do in the hotel is take a shower before bed, sleep, take another shower in the morning === Sounds like you folks are really cleaning up your act. I've always been able to think of additional things to do with my wife in a hotel room! Harry buys her a package of Hebrew Nationals. That gives her something to do while he's hooked to his machine catching some shut-eye. snerk I have no idea what "machine" the asshole is talking about here...do you? You do understand the Hebrew Nationals part, I hope. Sure...more 7th grade insults from one of our junior high schoolers. Oh, man! Harry commenting on someone else's 7th grade insults!! That's just great!!! |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H. wrote: Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. === Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers. ------------------------------- Yes they are. Friend a few years ago, rented a truck and camper. Truck campers are really nice up there as you do not have to worry about turning around on a dirt road you explore. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:46:10 -0700, "Califbill" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:01:20 -0400, John H. wrote: Well, I'm already carrying four 20lb tanks on the fiver, Not having to carry gasoline may make it worthwhile. The tanks run me $17 or so to fill. Don't know how long one of those would last on the generator. But, we'd be using it only when roughing it somewhere, like on the side of a rode while riding to Alaska. === Are there any opportunities for renting an RV in Alaska or up in Canada? I'd like to spend more time in Alaska but don't really want to make a big investment in tow vehicles/campers. ------------------------------- Yes they are. Friend a few years ago, rented a truck and camper. Truck campers are really nice up there as you do not have to worry about turning around on a dirt road you explore. Agreed. With a rig like mine, I don't go up roads without turnarounds. Luckily, I can park the rig and take the pickup where I want to go. But, there are no 'spur of the moment' side trips up little twisty roads! |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:25:48 -0400, John H. wrote: On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:14:45 -0400, X ` Man wrote: It's a joy if you want to say hello to Tim, see the Badlands of North Dakota, visit Mt Rushmore, spend a week or two in Yellowstone and Grand Teton, not to mention Glacier National Parks, watch the bears and moose alongside the road and see how beautiful this country you despise really is. There, you finally got noticed. Feel better? WATOABH I bet you will be pretty damned tired of the camper by then ;-) The great thing about driving in Alaska is, you can get the hell away from the cruise ships. We prefer driving and stopping at a real building with hot water and electricity but we are old. Some of the best places we stayed there were in the Kenai at B&Bs If you are in Cooper Landing ask for Lovie and Willie's place http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/lovi...d%20willie.jpg The Best Western in Homer is pretty nice in an Alaska sense and it is reasonably priced (rare in Alaska). Homer is an interesting place ... unless the cruise ships have found it. This is the main tourist attraction http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/salty%20dawg.jpg Seward is Key West without the charm. -------------------------------------- We drove to AK about 7 years ago. Fun for one time, but a lot of boring road through Canada. But we saw a lot of interesting things along the road. Camper for the trip was better than trying to get motels along the route. We talked to a couple different couples that were doing the hotel/motel route, and they said there were times where it was hard to get something where you wanted to be. We could camp in remote locations, or even pull off to a side road if needed. You can also stay in hotels at times when you want to. We have a slide in truck camper and only stayed in hotels twice during a 7 week trip. there were 4 couples and 3 had trailers. Most people in AK stated my truck camper was probably the best choice as we could explore side roads without worry. We would go down the roads and then radio back to the others if it was possible to use the road with the trailer. If you are in Fairbanks, Anchorage, Homer areas only via cruise ship, then lodgings make sense. but if taking a couple weeks to explore then a camper is better. That way we got to drive the Top of the World Highway, and visit towns like Reno near the Arctic Circle. |
Propane or Natural Gas for Small Home Generators
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:45:55 -0400, John H. wrote: we took the 18'er for three and a half weeks to southern Utah, and had a spectacular time. === We are planning to spend some time in southern Utah later this year? Any recommendations? ------------------------------------------------ From St. George go over to Cedar and the scenic highway. Lots of pretty area there. We watched Heli-logging 2 years ago. No to far to Canyon de Chelly. Higher a personal guide for the tour. |
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